Gtp x sd retic

[shaunyboy]

Originally Posted by David VB

A forum is there to ventilate opinions, moron... Shut up yourself if that is all you have to say.

it is,but....

there's no need to use the word HATE or MORON, when talking about members on here,is there now ?


cheers shaun

[Pareeeee]

Originally Posted by shaunyboy

it is,but....

there's no need to use the word HATE or MORON, when talking about members on here,is there now ?


cheers shaun

Name calling/personal attacks is one of the bannable offences here (see the site rules) so I doubt he'll last long on this forum.

[Aaron_S]

Originally Posted by Will0W783

It is not possible to breed a retic with a green tree python, as the genera of the two species are different. The existing snake hybrids all stick within the same genus (burm x retic= Python; GTP x carpet = Morelia; Amazon tree box x Emerald tree boa = Corallus; ball x burm, ball x blood = Python).

As far as I know, the interbreeding of snakes can only be done within one genus, due to the genetic differences between genera. So, no, you could not successfully breed a reticulated python (Python reticulatus) to a green tree python (Morelia viridis), unless you had the facilities to attempt artificial insemination.

Originally Posted by millertime89

What about the Columbian boa x yellow annie? Carpet x Blood has been done too. Burms and retics are no longer the same genera either. I'm pretty sure there are a few other examples that I'm forgetting about. It's just a name.

Both make good points. However, when we classify animals or reclassify as in the retic/burm part, it's merely for our records and has no bearing on how close they can actually be.

To Kims point, I would also toss out the woma hybrids too. Ball python x woma.

So far the hybrids that have been successful seem to be pretty "close". No one has crossed an arboreal like a gtp with a ball or anything terrestrial to date. Other than the ball burm no one has done a large size difference either.

I have a hard time thinking GTP and retic will breed.

[millertime89]

Originally Posted by Aaron_S

Both make good points. However, when we classify animals or reclassify as in the retic/burm part, it's merely for our records and has no bearing on how close they can actually be.

To Kims point, I would also toss out the woma hybrids too. Ball python x woma.

So far the hybrids that have been successful seem to be pretty "close". No one has crossed an arboreal like a gtp with a ball or anything terrestrial to date. Other than the ball burm no one has done a large size difference either.

I have a hard time thinking GTP and retic will breed.

Good call! Totally forgot about the Walls. So far, just in pythons, I know of the following hybrids that have been successfully produced:
ball x burm
ball x blood
ball x carpet
ball x woma
retic x burm
gtp x carpet
carpet x boelens
carpet x blood
carpet x bredli
a.rock x burm
indian rock x burm (not sure if hybrid or simply integrade, the jury is still out on this, but I lean towards hybrid)

I also know retic x ball and retic x scrub has been attempted but so far nothing has come of it. I wouldn't be surprised if someone has attempted retic x carpet or carpet x scrub either.

[David VB]

Originally Posted by shaunyboy

^^^^^
you are entitled to an opinion on Hybrids....

but there's no to tell the op you HATE him

if you cannot act like a grown up,then i suggest you use a different forum,as there's no place for that crap here mate...!!



if someone wants to produce Hybrids then i have no issue with them,as long as all the snakes in question are looked after correctly...


cheers shaun

I only stated that i start to hate 'people', simply because of the fact that 'some' think they can do anything (with animals)... I was not at all targeting anyone particularly.

And i do apologize for the 'moron', i felt attacked and not being an english speaking person, i dod not know how to explain that, if you know what i mean...

[Will0W783]

Hmm, I guess I forgot about all the reclassifications happening in snake genetics lately, and the things like the "wall" python.
I still do not think that an arboreal python, especially a small one like a GTP, could successfully breed with a retic. But I could be proven wrong.

[millertime89]

Originally Posted by Will0W783

Hmm, I guess I forgot about all the reclassifications happening in snake genetics lately, and the things like the "wall" python.
I still do not think that an arboreal python, especially a small one like a GTP, could successfully breed with a retic. But I could be proven wrong.

We can all thank Raymond Hoser... Is he still here?

This is one hybrid that I would be very nervous about attempting. Not one that I would do personally unless other people had successfully done it with little to no issues in the past.

[jossh27]

Why is hybrid such a touchy subject? Aside from bloodlines being fouled and selling them as something they aren't, who cares?

[reptiledude987]

the biggest isse I would see with this cross is how would you keep the offspring? sure you could offer perches and hides if they decided to be arboreal or terrestrial. however how would you know what temps and humidity levels to keep. As these animals dont have the same needs. sure you could experiment but you could loose any potensial offspring withthis experimenting. also dont breed either myself but different incubation requirements could be an issue as well.

[charlesc84]

Imagine a 20 foot green tree python???

[charlesc84]

There are some pretty small super dwarf retics, and a few extra large green trees, I dont think it's outside the realm of possibility they would lock up.

[reptiledude987]

Originally Posted by charlesc84

Imagine a 20 foot green tree python???

Thats a scary thought! It would look cool but dont think id want to have to deal with it myself.

[Aaron_S]

Originally Posted by jossh27

Why is hybrid such a touchy subject? Aside from bloodlines being fouled and selling them as something they aren't, who cares?

Once upon a time diamond pythons were $1000 each. At the same time Jungle carpet pythons were $150 each.

Little Jossh27 loves diamond pythons. Loves them so much that it's his dream snake. Jossh27 can't afford a $1000 right now so they save and save and save. A year goes by waiting for the next seasons babies to hatch. They finally do!

Jossh27 is super excited. He found one for sale and is able to go and buy it. They buy it. Take it home, set it up and care for this pretty baby for a few years.

Jossh27 decides it's time to breed his snake. Wants to try his hand reproducing diamonds. Has a better job and is able to afford a breeder sized animal for the price of $2000 from the person he bought his previous baby from.

He gets them home. Is so proud of his pair. He breeds them. He posts pictures of all the babies and the parents. Some people congratulate him but others, more experienced, notice some odd markings.

When little Jossh27 does some research and finds out that the ones he's been purchasing are actually crosses with Jungles he gets upset. His $3000 and all his time have been wasted. His animals are now valued at $200 instead of $1000. His dream snake is still just a dream.

[jossh27]

Originally Posted by Aaron_S

Once upon a time diamond pythons were $1000 each. At the same time Jungle carpet pythons were $150 each.

Little Jossh27 loves diamond pythons. Loves them so much that it's his dream snake. Jossh27 can't afford a $1000 right now so they save and save and save. A year goes by waiting for the next seasons babies to hatch. They finally do!

Jossh27 is super excited. He found one for sale and is able to go and buy it. They buy it. Take it home, set it up and care for this pretty baby for a few years.

Jossh27 decides it's time to breed his snake. Wants to try his hand reproducing diamonds. Has a better job and is able to afford a breeder sized animal for the price of $2000 from the person he bought his previous baby from.

He gets them home. Is so proud of his pair. He breeds them. He posts pictures of all the babies and the parents. Some people congratulate him but others, more experienced, notice some odd markings.

When little Jossh27 does some research and finds out that the ones he's been purchasing are actually crosses with Jungles he gets upset. His $3000 and all his time have been wasted. His animals are now valued at $200 instead of $1000. His dream snake is still just a dream.

I'm not sure if you wrote it like this to be a jerk, or if its the way you thought people would best understand it... Probably both. So aside from selling them and tainting blood lines there's nothing wrong with it? Just people's personal feelings towards it.

[jossh27]

I'm not here to criticise or anything like that simply trying to understand and learn a much as i can