"Fish tanks" - Page 2

CosmicOwl · 01-15-15, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by SSSSnakes

Almost all glass fish tanks are tempered glass, which can't be drilled. If you drill a tempered glass tank, it will shatter.

I didn't know that. But there is another reason to go with plastic if you can.

**Minkness** · 01-15-15, 06:14 PM

Wow, we have some serious tank hate going on...

As stated above, it just depends on your preferences in style and how you want to handle the enclosures. I think front opening are easier to clean. Slight modifications to fish tanks make holding humidity very easy.

I like the look of fish tanks but prefer the clean up of front opening enclosures so I will be switching to all front opening eventually.

Also, fish tanks are better in my opinion than the terrariums because they are more durable and their seals help hold in moisture even more than the made for lizards terrariums

CosmicOwl · 01-15-15, 06:24 PM

I don't think we have any fish tank hate. A lot of people just prefer tubs because they have many advantages. Tubs are cheaper, safer and easier to modify. Tanks are okay for many snakes, but also pretty inferior for others. If you want to spend a bunch of money on a glass box that needs to be modified for many species of snakes, that's your choice. But many keepers would rather just spend 10 minutes putting holes in an inexpensive plastic tub.

**Minkness** · 01-15-15, 06:35 PM

Lol

Oh yes, tubs take the cake for 'easy'!

I like viewing though, and I have yet to find a NICE clear tub. I have found almost clear, but still not all the way clear.

reptiledude987 · 01-15-15, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Minkness

Lol

Oh yes, tubs take the cake for 'easy'!

I like viewing though, and I have yet to find a NICE clear tub. I have found almost clear, but still not all the way clear.

Agreed. I like glass or wood with glass front simply for asthetics.

SSSSnakes · 01-15-15, 06:52 PM

I use both tanks and tubs. The critter tanks are lockable with a pad lock, for venomous snakes.

Sublimeballs · 01-15-15, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Marshallarts

It really annoys me when people say that you shouldn't keep your snakes in fish tanks when they make specially made plastic snake cages. Well actually terrariums are designed for reptiles that have all the features if not more than a plastic cage. They have the holes for cords to go through, ventilation, many have front opening doors, a litter dam, good viewing, and much more. Lots are coming with backgrounds now or you can buy a separate background. They hold humidity and heat fine, they look good and are much cheaper. AND they are specially made for reptiles.

First id like to point out that 90% of the products made for reptiles by the big companies are complete garbage.

Glass terraiums arnt designed for reptiles, they're just more accomidating fish tanks and still have to be modded to maintain your animals health. plastic cage are designed for reptiles.

This site is full of people that are pro the advancement of proper captive reptile husbandry; moving away from tanks is part of that. Yes, aquariums can work just fine( look at closed chamber tort grow out tanks) but you cant just buy one and call it a day. you can with plastic cages. There are no benifits of a tank when you're looking at the animals best interest, there are with plastic.

Most of what youre seeing as tank hate is people that have been in this hobby for a long tome and have seen what happens when people think a ball python can be kept in a glass tank with a screen lid and a heat light. A glass tank with a screen top and heat light is essentially a dehydrator, all the heat and humidity is going straight up and out. You can cover it and that simply minimalizes this not fixes it.

It seems to me that you're trying to convince us or yourself that were all wrong so you can tell yourself you're doing the best thing by going glass.

**Minkness** · 01-15-15, 07:29 PM

I am not trying to convince anyone of anything. Just saying that there are levels. Good, better, and best. And of course, aweful. I am also not saying that it's ok to just buy a tank and be done with it. I have mentioned several times that tanks need to be customized to the needs of the reptile.

Tanks aren't 'bad' when they are fixed up properly. Are they as good as a custom PVC? No, but not everyone can buy those. Are tanks as good as tubs? Depends on the reptile. You wouldn't put a low humidity reptile in a tub or a high humidity reptile in a screen enclosure (which I have seen and still don't understand).

It would be great if everyone had the space and money for the 'best', but not everyone does, so they just make due with what they can. If I got a high humidity reptile and couldn't afford a PVC enclosure, I'd go with a tub.

Having nice, new things that 'help' us give the best care possible is great, but that 'best' comes with a cost. Like comparing a brand new vehicle to one from 10 years ago. So long as the one from 10 years ago is kept up with, it does the same thing the brand new one does. Gets us from point A to point B hopefully with a radio and AC.

PVC enclosures are great, the best, and wonderful. No one is arguing that. But instead of slamming people for using fish tanks or glass terrariums, why not educate them on how to make it the 'best' tank without belittling their choice?

So long as the animal has it's needs met in a healthy way, what is the issue? =/

SSSSnakes · 01-15-15, 07:49 PM

I've had many PVC enclosure given to me with some of the adoption snakes that I get. I give them away, because I personally don't like them. Any enclosure can be made to work and I think it is what you prefer and what works best for you. No need to tell others that they are wrong, just because you prefer something else.

**Minkness** · 01-15-15, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by SSSSnakes

I've had many PVC enclosure given to me with some of the adoption snakes that I get. I give them away, because I personally don't like them. Any enclosure can be made to work and I think it is what you prefer and what works best for you. No need to tell others that they are wrong, just because you prefer something else.

Exactly! ^_^

Sublimeballs · 01-15-15, 08:11 PM

Minkness, I wasn't referring to you but the OP.

the thing is is the OP is trying to make glass tanks out to be better which is misinforming anyone that doesn't know better that might read this thread. We have a responsibility to advance our hobby and there is no room for misinforming the future generations of our hobby.

The fact that you said if you got a high humidity animal you'd get a tub proves that you understand the animals needs over your desires. Alot of people don't like tubs because they can't see their snake( which I consider a benefit, less stress on the snake) that's putting the animals needs behind your own. If its a question of money then tubs are the way to go.

I don't feel that anyone was bashing anyone for use of tanks, granted not all of the members on this forum are experts on message delivery; but they're are looking out for the animals interest. The facts are they arnt for reptiles.

**EL Ziggy** · 01-15-15, 08:17 PM

It's all a matter of personal preference. There is no right or wrong answer as long as the animals needs are being met. There are pros and cons to all the options but they can all work effectively for most snakes. I keep kings and bulls in terrariums and tubs. Both are perfectly fine for these animals. The tubs are easier to clean and the terrariums are much better for viewing purposes but neither are any "better" for the snakes, just a little more convenient for me. The biggest reasons I'm upgrading to pvc enclosures is because I like the way they look for display and I can stack them if I want .

Mikoh4792 · 01-15-15, 08:39 PM

Tanks can work fine if modded. Unmodded, they are bad for reptiles unless you live in a place with good weather, or keep the tank in a room with controlled temps and humidity. As mentioned before, a glass tank with a lamp on top is essentially a dehydrator which is fine if you are keeping reptiles that don't require moderate to high humidity.

Plastic cages are specifically designed for reptiles so they are good the way they come.

Zelg · 01-15-15, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikoh4792

Tanks can work fine if modded. Unmodded, they are bad for reptiles unless you live in a place with good weather, or keep the tank in a room with controlled temps and humidity. As mentioned before, a glass tank with a lamp on top is essentially a dehydrator which is fine if you are keeping reptiles that don't require moderate to high humidity.

Plastic cages are specifically designed for reptiles so they are good the way they come.

This is my point (and maybe that of the OP as well) that people keep ignoring. Tanks can work just fine if you live in a climate similar to that which your reptile requires. Is it the best option? No, but that doesnt automatically make it a BAD option, does it?

Obviously if you keep your snakes in a cold, unheated basement, then a glass setup would be pretty stupid. But if you live out in the desert and its routinely dry and hot and thats how your reptile likes it then whats the problem?

eminart · 01-15-15, 09:48 PM

This thread is absolutely full of garbage. A box for a snake isn't rocket science.