Bothrops spp. - Page 2

Feed'em All · 02-14-03, 10:13 AM

Hi, guys! gosh, I love when is not like everybody agree and sound like a chorus "You HAVE to do that and blah blah blah.."anyway, back to the subject...
I am quite sure that bothrops neuwiedi diporus reach 3' in lengh as adult (that's why they call it Small Yarará, with bothrops alternatus being the Big Yarará) so I don't think they have a 4' attack range, right?
Anyway, I love eyelashes, but I won't be able to find any of those here, for sure.
Another thing I 've heard is that neuwiedis have a nastier venom than alternatus, is it right?
As always, thanx and any info would be REALLY appreciated.
PS:Gregg M do you have plans about breeding your beauties???

BWSmith · 02-14-03, 10:43 AM

neuwiedi have a subcu LD50 of 14.2
alternatus has a subcu LD50 of 15.8

So alternatus is lightly less toxic. But it is by NO MEANS a mild envenomation. After all the Eastern Diamondbacks LD50 in in between those two.

I dont think anyone is saying "You have to" do anything. We can give facts and experiences and recommendations.

There is no halfway with hots.

Feed'em All · 02-14-03, 11:01 AM

BWSmith: Due to my AWFUL english sometimes I write just the opposite of what I intend to...
I meant that I was happy nobody here subestimate me and stuff, and nodody here in as narrow minded to tell me "do thing my way or don't do anything", instead you just give "healthy" advice...
By the way, I ckecked out your website, really cool (I loved the stickers!) and...Is that yellow that tame as he/she(?) seems to be in the pics???
Take care, Martin.

BWSmith · 02-14-03, 11:35 AM

thanks, still alot of work to be done. The Yellow Anaconda in the photo gallery really is that tame. She has only bitten twice and both time were because i startled her. Of course, i still have a tooth in my hand from on of her hits

Feed'em All · 02-14-03, 11:51 AM

BWSmith: A friend of mine has a 2 mts Yellow, and it'snasty as it can be!
So, between neuweidi and alterntus is the thing i guess...any particular reason I should choose either one?
Martin.

BWSmith · 02-14-03, 12:04 PM

That is like choosing which rope to use when being dragged by a truck. Not a fun choice.

I think you should work with both first, find out which you are most comfortable with. Other factors to consider: Find out how much AV is available and where it is located. Educate yourself on protocol. have all the handling equipment and caging ready PRIOR to getting the snake. Basically prepare.

I think Bothrops sp are about the last group of vipers i would recommend. But you work with what you have. i know a guy who had a Bothrops atrox for a first hot.

Feed'em All · 02-14-03, 12:39 PM

bothrops atrox......:bugout:
anyway, I plan to buy some antivenin and keep it myself from the institute I told you b4, and I am trying to plan a super cool set up where i can place finger-fangs separators, pics will be posted I promess.
So, if basically all bothrops are the same , I got less size=less venom, so I guess it would be a neuwiedi.
BTW, is it much difference between handling a 3' and 5' snake?

Feed'em All · 02-14-03, 12:41 PM

i hope you realied this post are just out of curiosity, as I am gonna learn this stuff out of someone working with hots, I guess I am just a bit anxious....(but not too much) hehe

Gregg M · 02-14-03, 08:57 PM

Feed'em All,
Breeding project is in its 2nd year for the ones I have now..... My main goal in keeping these snakes is to breed them...... I feel that if you are going to keep something like a venomous snake it should be for a good reason not just because they look cool..... They are not pets and should never be regarded as shuch....... And what better reason could you have to keep something than to coserve the species..... The more captive breeding there is the less reason to go to the country of origin and take them from the wild...... Did you see the pics on www.cybersalvator.com???

Feed'em All · 02-14-03, 10:05 PM

Gregg: Cool Site and awesome hots!!!
I completely agree with the importance of captive breeding, but I am a little scared about breeding viviparous, since I 've heard somewhere that sometimes some eggs stay into the mom causing death (It is probably just nonsense, I dunno...)
Besides here in my country it's hard to breed, since we not have herp societys and stuff.
One more time..congrats on your beauties!Rhinos Rules!
Martin.

Boid_22 · 02-14-03, 10:14 PM

Regarding my post on the first page and your reply. I should have posted both names, You are right, It is now Bothriechis, But the old name is Bothrops...Correct..?
In regards to "Granted they are suppose to be a good first hot". I have been told quite the opposite.
Very small neonates eating only pinkie parts, Tricky feeders as adults as well, And needing daily soaking. Some people think thats a challenge, And for some it is. To me it's just a part of my hobby.
And i agree "If there is such thing as a good first hot". I don't think there is such a thing. You just have to be mentally ready. Aqquiring a hot isn't just something you do because it's "Cool" You can't just go out get the snake, A hook, Some gentle tongs and welding gloves and think you're ready. It a mindset that you hve to be prepared for and shouldn't be taken lightly. It's unfortunte that it is sometimes.

BTW BWSmith, Thanks for the clarification to the proper taxonimy.
Good to keep info as accurate as possible.

Cheers.....Ed

Gregg M · 02-15-03, 09:19 AM

Hey Martin,
As long as you give the snakes the proper environment and conditions they should have no problems with births...... There is nothing better than breeding....... When you breed them and the neonates are healthy, that means you did everything right...... It is one of the great rewards you get when you give these animals everything they need to stay healthy and happy........ Good luck Martin and I hope it all works out for you.....

Feed'em All · 02-15-03, 10:23 AM

thanks Gregg! Your post really encouraged me to try breeding ovoviviparous spp. I promess the cutest neonate will get your name!

Anyway, given all the post above....ANY INFO OF BOTHROPS??

Cheers, Martin.

Feed'em All · 02-26-03, 11:03 PM

Today was my fisrt day watching the handling and feeding of both bothrops alternatus and b. neuwiedi diporus. All I can say is WOW!
Besides, I got my right index chewed by a Helicops infrateniatus (as I posted b4, those are lil devils!)
Anyway, I just wanna ask you guys (I know, I am askinf for this over and over again) any info of the two species of bothrops.
again, thanks.
Martin.