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[DrummingT]

Originally Posted by snakekid6996

So are You saying that we should not have regulations on dangerous reptiles?

I'm absolutely saying that.

I think you're completely GOOSE STEPPING FASCIST crazy if you don't agree with me enthusiastically.

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[DrummingT]

Originally Posted by Sublimeballs

Ummm.....You do realize I said I'm FOR regulating dangerous reptiles, and AGINST banning them right. I agree, cars are very dangerous, that's why the operations of a vehicle is regulated. You have to have a license to operate one and additional licenses for larger (more dangerous) vehicles.

A 12 year old boy, with parents that know nothing of reptiles and agreed to let him get a snake, shouldn't be able to purchase a giant or a hot. Nor should these animals be housed in improper caging in a house with small kids(or ever). Do you not agree?

I'm 100% opposed to your entire point of view.

Anyone has the RIGHT to enter a liquor store and buy several times more hard liquor than is needed to drink themselves to death in one sitting. Some college "kids" have done this on campus.

DEATH is part of LIFE.

You get only one life to live. Don't let anyone else infringe on your right to live it as you choose.

[DrummingT]

Originally Posted by IW17

Regulations aren't a bad thing so long as they are within reason. If we allow regulations so strict it keeps these animals out of reach for responsible owners then it's basically a ban in itself.

If you allow regulation that is EXACTLY what you end up with.

In point of LAW anyone in Florida can legally own a rattlesnake.

In REALITY almost no one can.

Those screaming for regulations won't stop until the whole USA is like Florida, which I consider 100% FASCIST. Totally unacceptable to even argue about. Dead from the gate.

[millertime89]

Originally Posted by DrummingT

You get only one life to live. Don't let anyone else infringe on your right to live it as you choose.

Here's the problem with this sort of blanket statement. What happens when your "rights" infringe upon my right to live? Is not my right to live at all more important than your desire to own a firearm, drive a car, keep a rattlesnake or lion? While I'm not saying which way is right or wrong what I am saying is that a civil discussion about these issues and many others resulting in a reasonable compromise wouldn't be a bad idea. But politicians as of late are too petty and obsessed with playing childish games to do anything of the sort. This would be a non-issue if people were responsible but unfortunately most people are idiots resulting in people in power sticking their noses in where they have no business.

Also, maybe look up fascism before throwing it around. Authoritarian is the word you're looking for.

[IW17]

Originally Posted by DrummingT

If you allow regulation that is EXACTLY what you end up with.

In point of LAW anyone in Florida can legally own a rattlesnake.

In REALITY almost no one can.

Those screaming for regulations won't stop until the whole USA is like Florida, which I consider 100% FASCIST. Totally unacceptable to even argue about. Dead from the gate.

Like I said, so long as it doesn't restrict ownership it's not a bad idea. For example in Ohio any snake over 12' requires a yearly permit costing $150, and there are some requirements such as providing proper enclosures, etc. Basic things that we as owners should have alreadyI but in addition, you must have insurance /bonded for $100k-500k. Thats ridiculous. If you left out the expensive insurance requiments it wouldn't be a bad idea. But the latter simply makes it financially impossible for most people, therefore it in itself is a ban. And I know some people might complain that even $150 might be too expensive for some household income, to which I would argue that if you can't afford the small fee, you most likely can't afford to own such a large demanding animal.

[EL Ziggy]

I believe hots and giants should be regulated. Everybody shouldn't be allowed to own dangerous animals just like everybody shouldn't be allowed to drive cars or own firearms. Only those who have proven themselves to be capable, sane, and responsible should be given such privileges.

[DrummingT]

Originally Posted by millertime89

Here's the problem with this sort of blanket statement. What happens when your "rights" infringe upon my right to live?

I've decided I want to own a 20 foot Reticulated python and a 15 foot King Cobra.

I'm your next door neighbor.

How am I infringing upon your right to live?

[DrummingT]

Originally Posted by EL-Ziggy

I believe hots and giants should be regulated. Everybody shouldn't be allowed to own dangerous animals just like everybody shouldn't be allowed to drive cars or own firearms. Only those who have proven themselves to be capable, sane, and responsible should be given such privileges.

This is the FASCIST mentality.

The word "RESPONSIBLE" is the respectable terminology for:

"I hate stupid weirdos like you people and I'm going to have my police - who I pay for by taxing you - put their jackboots squarely on the back of your neck."

America has five percent of the worlds people and twenty-five percent of the worlds PRISONERS.

That is fascist lunacy of the Third Reich variety.

[EL Ziggy]

Originally Posted by DrummingT

This is the FASCIST mentality.

The word "RESPONSIBLE" is the respectable terminology for:

"I hate stupid weirdos like you people and I'm going to have my police - who I pay for by taxing you - put their jackboots squarely on the back of your neck."

America has five percent of the worlds people and twenty-five percent of the worlds PRISONERS.

That is fascist lunacy of the Third Reich variety.

Really? It's fascist to think that every 15 year old kid shouldn't own a 15 ft retic, rattler, or cobra? Or to think that a person that has a demonstrated propensity for violence, a certifiable mental illness, or just can't shoot straight, shouldn't be able to legally own a firearm? Or that Stevie Wonder shouldn't be able to drive a car? That's third reich variety lunacy? I hear ya, to each his own.

[Sublimeballs]

Originally Posted by DrummingT

I've decided I want to own a 20 foot Reticulated python and a 15 foot King Cobra.

I'm your next door neighbor.

How am I infringing upon your right to live?

Well, if you're not housing them properly or incapable of handling them they can get out and bad things can happen.... Remember the rock python killing the 2 small boy not long ago.


And by responsible i think he means people that are capable of caring for these animals in a way that's safe for them, the animal, and others.

[millertime89]

Originally Posted by Sublimeballs

Well, if you're not housing them properly or incapable of handling them they can get out and bad things can happen.... Remember the rock python killing the 2 small boy not long ago.

And by responsible i think he means people that are capable of caring for these animals in a way that's safe for them, the animal, and others.

This. If you're not being responsible and I (or someone else) has to come in and clean up for your mistakes then that could directly put me at risk.

[millertime89]

And to equate this to Hitler's policies of throwing people in gas chambers and then burning their bodies is ridiculous and that kind of hyperbole does no good.

[EL Ziggy]

Originally Posted by millertime89

And to equate this to Hitler's policies of throwing people in gas chambers and then burning their bodies is ridiculous and that kind of hyperbole does no good.

^^Copy that^^

[DrummingT]

Originally Posted by Sublimeballs

Well, if you're not housing them properly or incapable of handling them they can get out and bad things can happen.... Remember the rock python killing the 2 small boy not long ago.

The father murdered his two boys and used the python as a cover story, and apparently it worked. I thought Canadians were smarter than that, but perhaps not.

Even if I accept that story though, the python never left the owners house
so again, how in my example would I be infringing on YOUR right to live?

[Sublimeballs]

The idea that kids should be able to have hots or giants because they just should us a potential problem for our hobby. People already think that we're all crazy and that our animals are 1000x's more dangerous then they are. If more people thought like you publicly I'm fairly possitive bans would be in the works within weeks.

And constantly referring to people that don't agree with you as fascist, because you think kids and people that can't provide an escape proof cage should be allowed to have a black mamba, doesn't look great for the reptile hobby aswell.

On a side note I didn't know the nazis were opposed to people keeping reptiles. You learn something new everyday.lol sorry I couldn't resist.