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Old 03-06-14, 12:20 PM   #16
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This is where the mauling thing you are so hung up on and hurt over came from. I said you are giving off the impression. I didn't say you were mauling it. There is a difference.
ok, instead of being passive agressive about it, do you think I'm mauling the snake? if you do, then come right out and say it instead of pointing out I'm giving the impression. If you dont' think I am , say you don't.
If you don't know one way or the other, ASK.
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Old 03-06-14, 12:30 PM   #17
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ok, instead of being passive agressive about it, do you think I'm mauling the snake? if you do, then come right out and say It instead of pointing out I'm giving the impression. If you dont' think I am , say you don't.
If you don't know one way or the other, ASK.
I am far from passive aggressive. I told you that you are giving that impressionk. Your story doesn't seem to support you leaving it alone. What I believe is that you are handling it and bothering it Way more than you think you are.
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here's a perfect example, people who only read bits and pieces and just don't get it. THis is why my 12 year old daughter even thinks you are an idiot.
If you'd take the time to read and comprehend, you'd realize I didn't say I can't pick up a snake that size, I said COMFORTABLY and safely. And use your imagination genious, put the cup or tub on its side and guide the snake into it.
And you do realize that that when you buy a container of a certain size, you can buy more than one of them. So you can have one for each snake. You knew you could do that right? So there you go, instead of accepting that possibility you'd rather attack my quarantining.
How did they know it was feisty? Because it was trying to bite as soon as I took the lid of the container out of the box. again, you take what you want from something and twist it into something that fits the way you want it to.
I didn't have the answers, I didn't think the size of the enclosure mattered, BUT, I asked to make sure. Guess what, the general consensus is that it didnt.
Several people tried to help, as usual you just tried to cause trouble.
Hmmmmmm. So you put containers inside the enclosure and agitate it to climb into it? You have a picture holding it because someone demanded proof? Well I can safely say that there are three times you stressed the snake out in the two weeks you owned it. But hey at least you didn't actually pick it up two of those times... No.... Instead you goaded it into whatever container you were trying to get it in.
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Old 03-06-14, 12:37 PM   #19
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Re: Feeding advice for yellow rat

What's done is done.

Just try to give your snake more cover, make sure temp gradient is proper, leave it alone for a week and try feeding again.

Also that pic of the enclosure will come in handy as well. It will be easier to help if we can get a visual of what the setup looks like.
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Old 03-06-14, 12:54 PM   #20
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thank you Korbin,
I appreciate the laugh, you are indeed a riot.
agitate the snake to climb into it, goaded it into the container. Again, a narrow minded view point where you can't accept that the snake could be gently guided into the container. But you question how I pick it up.
You think I am handling the snake and stressing it out more than I think I am. Funny thing, I'm here, I know what's actually going on here because, well.... I'm here, not in your world of speculation.
Mikoh, I'm sorry, what's done is not done because this type of idiocy keeps coming up. No matter how many times I say the snake is not stressed, someone says, you are stressing the snake out. People will keep doing the inane nonsense that Korbin is doing, taking bits and pieces to make their argument, as an example, I say I can't comfortably handle a snake that size, it guest turned into I supposedly said that I can't pick up a snake that size. The comfortably makes a lot of difference in that statement, but it gets left out to add to the arguement.
Korbin and whatever his damage is practically demands proof, then chastises me for bothering the snake in order to provide the proof.
I appreciate you trying to keep the peace Mikoh, please don't take this the wrong way, but if I'm supposed to keep the snake in a dark room and leave it alone, how do I take a picture? I'm not trying to be difficult on that one, and I'm sorry that it probably seems like I am. But I'm really not sure how to do that without disturbing the snake. Which I honestly don't think is an issue here, and I'm actually about ready to prove it.
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Old 03-06-14, 01:05 PM   #21
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Re: Feeding advice for yellow rat

You don't need to keep it in a dark room, you just need to provide cover that is dark and tight. And covering the sides of the enclosure will help as well, the room it is in can be bright as day.

Some people say not to compare captive snakes to wild snakes, but sometimes it's reasonable. The environment for wild ratsnakes are bright and sunny in the day, and if they are not out moving, they will be hiding in a dark space. Try to recreate it that by giving it dark places to hide, regardless of the ambient light during the day.
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You don't need to keep it in a dark room, you just need to provide cover that is dark and tight. And covering the sides of the enclosure will help as well, the room it is in can be bright as day.

Some people say not to compare captive snakes to wild snakes, but sometimes it's reasonable. The environment for wild ratsnakes are bright and sunny in the day, and if they are not out moving, they will be hiding in a dark space. Try to recreate it that by giving it dark places to hide, regardless of the ambient light during the day.
gotcha, sorry, I had so many people tell me the snake needs to be in a dark room that I thought that's what you meant. And now Korbin with his crap has got me so paranoid that I use the flash on my camera I'm going to get accused of stressing the snake out.

And I'm sorry if noone is going to convince me that the snake is not eating because it's stressed. Mikoh, regardless of what a few people have been saying about my lack of experience, this isn't my first goat f&*k. I've dealt with a lot of snakes before, this snake does not act like she's stressed, she acts like she's hungry. I've seen this before , trying to get WC kings and garters to eat mice.
When I first started this thread it was to make sure I have all my bases covered. And I'm confident now that I do. I'm also 100 percent confident that this snake is not stressed out.
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Well I tried


What you do with goats is none of my business.
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Old 03-06-14, 02:34 PM   #24
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Well I tried


What you do with goats is none of my business.
LOL

I love goats, but not in that way.
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terranaut, why are you banging your head? are you saying I'm wrong? Do you insist that the snake is not eating because it's stressed? do you not concede that it is possible that I might be able to tell if the snake is showing signs of being stressed and that it might just be that its not associating the offered prey as food?
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terranaut, why are you banging your head? are you saying I'm wrong? Do you insist that the snake is not eating because it's stressed? do you not concede that it is possible that I might be able to tell if the snake is showing signs of being stressed and that it might just be that its not associating the offered prey as food?
I think he's makng a joke in reference to your statement about doing goats.
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ahh, I thought that went with his "I tried" as in banging against his head against the wall because I won't listen.
If that's the case, I will listen when someone can tell me how they KNOW that I'm wrong.
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Nobody said you were wrong. Everyone said what they thought might be a possibility. Most offered a plausible solution based on tough feeders they have delt with. You don't seem to be interested in any other approach other than one involving alternative food. If you feel that way do it. Try other options and if it works , please share your new found knowledge with us. But the ideas mentioned are what have worked for others already. They took the time to write all that out and your stuck on one possible solution. To top it off the snake you have is typically a garbage can so fixing this should not be an issue....if you give the ideas a chance, put up with stuff you may not want to hear, be open minded and and trust that the collective knowledge of this site is why you are here. The two guys your chirping with on here have a lot of experience and may come off a little harsh, they know what they are talking about.
Bury this issue and try to listen to criticism wether it is nicely put or not something you wanted to hear.
Lastly I asked for you to repost pics and info so it was here, in our face to compare. Stress is such a wide term for herps. It means "something not right" and not human type stress. Something is wrong. We will be happy to donate our time and knowledge for free. So maybe just try to listen and when we need help we will listen to you.
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Re: Feeding advice for yellow rat

It's always the snake's fault...

I am fine with you not believing me. It doesn't hurt my credibility or my animals so I'm okay with that.

I leave good advice out there for the taking. If it doesn't get taken, oh well, someone will.
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Terranaut, why doesn't it seem to matter WHY I'm not interested in other advice. I know how snakes act when they are stressed, this snake is not doing that. I know what snakes act like when they are hungry. this snake is doing that. The snake is clearly out looking for food.
So, why is the setup automatically the most plausible solution. None of my other snakes have a problem with their enclosures.
Why is the food source such an inplausible idea. I'm truly trying to undestand why that's such an unlikely possibility.
Andy why is it, if Zig and Starbuck suggested scenting, but somehow you and aaron still think its not plausible.
My "newfound" knowledge. That's funny, that right there shows that you don't believe that the snake will feed without following YOUR guidlines.
I'm so confident that the snake is NOT stressed that I just handled the snake as best as I can. Yes Korbin, live with it. To top it off, the snake is now in a glass 55 gallon aquarium in the living room. That's how confident I am that its not a stress issue.
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