Pine

[formica]

Originally Posted by mclund

I doubt there has been any research. I was basing my comment on past experience. It has been many years that I have used pine for my reptiles, but I never experienced any problems. I suppose there is some argument here on the subject. The long term effects of pine on captive reptiles should be considered.

I think that is the problem, pines VOC's (infact all VOC's) are well know to be highly toxic to many animals, but a few searches of google reveals nothing specific to reptiles

Considering that reptiles and humans for eg, share many chemical and biological similarities, despite our differences, I think it is unlikely that they are somehow immune.

considering that a wide variety of invertbrates, fish and amphibians, aswell as mammals & birds, are known to find pine VOC's very toxic, even carcinogenic, it is difficult to see how a group of animals which evolved inbetween all those groups, would not also be susceptible to their toxic effect

but, as you say, the research is not there. i'm personally not comfortable recommending pine either way

Life is a terminal illness...eventually they all die, but most of them from unnatural causes.

yes, i was being silly

[formica]

been searching for an hour, and I can find no research into this whatsoever...which is pretty amazing tbh


off to vet tomorrow, might be able to shed some light on it!

[kelzerman]

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Lots of cool info in there. Doesn't prove that the pine we buy has been treated... but just an interesting read.

[formica]

Originally Posted by kelzerman

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Lots of cool info in there. Doesn't prove that the pine we buy has been treated... but just an interesting read.

no access, can u copy/paste the relevant parts?

[mclund]

Very interesting article. In researching pine shavings some manufacturers advertised it contained terpenes as a way to reduce the presence of bugs.


Utility of Recycled Bedding for Laboratory Rodents

[robertjnovak59]

The guy I got my corn snakes from always kept them on pine bedding. They were 8 years old when I got them. I'm not saying anyone should use pine bedding, i switched to aspen when I got them.

[Snakefood]

I personally find that keeping my snakes on paper is both cheaper and an easier cleanup, also, I do't have to worry about whether pine is safe or not. I do breed my own mice and used to breed my own rats too, and I do use pine for them, never had a problem.

[Kera]

Originally Posted by Snakefood

I personally find that keeping my snakes on paper is both cheaper and an easier cleanup, also, I do't have to worry about whether pine is safe or not. I do breed my own mice and used to breed my own rats too, and I do use pine for them, never had a problem.

Thanks. I honestly think I might stick with paper towel. It's cheap and easy, but I do prefer natural looks.

[Snakefood]

maybe throw some reptile moss on top?? I use the moss in humid hides all the time and have never had a problem with it, all my snakes are very healthy, and the few I have that prefer to stay in thier moss filled humid hides during thier sheds show no ill effects from it. Just make sure you either get the moss meant for reptiles or "orchid" moss. those are the only types I know of that are garaunteed to have no fertilizers or pesticides in them.

[kelzerman]

Darn it. Wrong quote.

[kelzerman]

Originally Posted by formica

no access, can u copy/paste the relevant parts?

Yes as soon as I make it to a computer. Can't get access through my phone.