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Mikoh4792 · 12-07-13, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by KORBIN5895

Wow.... we almost have 900 signatures. Go us....... smh

This. I thought the "needed" amount is what we signed and then I realized we weren't even close. Not sure if a month is enough time to get that many sigs

Sublimeballs · 12-07-13, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by KORBIN5895

I hate to poop in the middle of the parade but I really don't think retics should be in the pet trade.

It's not just them banning retics that's the problem. Because of our inability to stop them/ take this law to court they can add any species they want. Boas are next and I'd imagine they will go after varanids and tegus after that; as there are wild populations in Florida already.

Korbin how do you feel about dwarf and super dwarf locales in the pet trade?

Sublimeballs · 12-07-13, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikoh4792

This. I thought the "needed" amount is what we signed and then I realized we weren't even close. Not sure if a month is enough time to get that many sigs

Yeah I'm not feeling so great about this, but I'm not going to take it laying back. I'm trying to get ahold of anyone that could infulence masses of people, but to no avail so far.

Mikoh4792 · 12-07-13, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Sublimeballs

Yeah I'm not feeling so great about this, but I'm not going to take it laying back. I'm trying to get ahold of anyone that could infulence masses of people, but to no avail so far.

Well I've already posted your link in a few different forums now. Since then we've gotten about 200 votes.... =[

rocknhorse76 · 12-07-13, 02:17 PM

Signed!!!!!!

KORBIN5895 · 12-07-13, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Sublimeballs

It's not just them banning retics that's the problem. Because of our inability to stop them/ take this law to court they can add any species they want. Boas are next and I'd imagine they will go after varanids and tegus after that; as there are wild populations in Florida already.

Korbin how do you feel about dwarf and super dwarf locales in the pet trade?

I think your point is completely pointless. We have way too many idiots making hybrids and integrates to even try and argue that point. There is no way you could prove it was a pure dwarf.

Sublimeballs · 12-07-13, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by KORBIN5895

I think your point is completely pointless. We have way too many idiots making hybrids and integrates to even try and argue that point. There is no way you could prove it was a pure dwarf.

Korbin I think you've come to expect arguments. I wasn't trying to make a point, but just asking what your opinion is on these locales in the pet trade. I can understand someone opposing mainland retics; retics have become my favorite snakes, but I have no plans on getting a full sized monster. I've got pure jampea, and pure kalatoas. I understand what you mean about the mixing of the smaller locales I'm not a fan. Although I disagree with the no way to prove pure comment.

kwhitlock · 12-07-13, 03:59 PM

I love and respect retics, will I ever own one? Doubtful. They just get to big for me. Is a dwarf species work a way into my life, probably. But who is anyone to say that this snake you can't own or sell. If a person can handle the snake and provide a good home for it, I don't see any problem. I would rather own a 20ft retic then a very venomous snake any day of the week.

Mikoh4792 · 12-07-13, 04:00 PM

Korbin are you against mixing of any locale of any species or just insular locales?

For example do you see the mixing of tully and palmerston jungle carpet pythons just as bad as mixing crawl cay and caulker cay boas?(mainland locales vs island locales). Where do you draw the line?

Mikoh4792 · 12-07-13, 04:01 PM

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I would rather own a 20ft retic then a very venomous snake any day of the week.

I would rather own the venemous snake =]. Only because I know I'd be able to provide more.(ample space, ample food). To be honest I think most retics and burms in captivity are kept in enclosures too small.

poison123 · 12-07-13, 04:02 PM

I don't like the fact that just anybody can get their hands on these giants. I do believe that the lacey act is pointless as I have said on another thread, there will still be enough giants in most states to go around. Mainly affects morphs.

By the way. Dwarfs are locales or captive genetic mutations?

poison123 · 12-07-13, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikoh4792

I would rather own the venemous snake =]. Only because I know I'd be able to provide more.(ample space, ample food). To be honest I think most retics and burms in captivity are kept in enclosures too small.

Same here.

Sublimeballs · 12-07-13, 05:27 PM

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I don't like the fact that just anybody can get their hands on these giants. I do believe that the lacey act is pointless as I have said on another thread, there will still be enough giants in most states to go around. Mainly affects morphs.

By the way. Dwarfs are locales or captive genetic mutations?

Dwarves are subspecies. they evolved to stay smaller due to conditions on whichever island the locale in question came from. My jampea female is going on 3 years old and is only 8 feet or so long, and a little heavier then my biggest ball python. It's definitely not due to under feeding either she's a pig. And the kalatoas are the smallest of the locales with females topping out around 7 feet and males under 6.

I wish they would just enact a permit system, I'd be so happy.

Mikoh4792, I agree with the small cage comment. my tiny tics are going to get the same size cages 20+ foot retics get. And I still want to give them more climbing room.

KORBIN5895 · 12-07-13, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikoh4792

Korbin are you against mixing of any locale of any species or just insular locales?

For example do you see the mixing of tully and palmerston jungle carpet pythons just as bad as mixing crawl cay and caulker cay boas?(mainland locales vs island locales). Where do you draw the line?

I breed for color morphs so honestly mixing localities is a part of it. I am not down with peoplw breeding bci with bcc at all nor am I okay with people breeding a Peruvian with a Bolivian just for the giggles.

Usually when people breed for color morphs they sell the non visual babies as jets which means you know they are a mutt.

Mikoh4792 · 12-07-13, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by KORBIN5895

I breed for color morphs so honestly mixing localities is a part of it. I am not down with peoplw breeding bci with bcc at all nor am I okay with people breeding a Peruvian with a Bolivian just for the giggles.

Usually when people breed for color morphs they sell the non visual babies as jets which means you know they are a mutt.

I don't know much about south american boa constrictors so I have to ask(if you know), do bolivians and peruvians naturally integrade in the wild?(since the two countries are next to eachother). Or are the two localities of boa isolated from each other by a barrier?

I personally don't see anything wrong with mixing naturally occuring integrades such as coastal and jungle carpet pythons, colombian bci and colombian bcc..etc