Peruvian / Columbian compatibility - Page 2

gunslinger · 03-10-03, 06:58 PM

hey, i can appreciate someone's advice, but she was casting aspersions on my character, saying that i didn't care about my snake's well being, just about what i wanted. i didn't care for that at all.

i appologize to you, jeff, for going off. you are right, i need to chill...
i just don't take kindly to people that feel the need to put other people down.

Ritus_Reptile · 03-10-03, 07:52 PM

I perceived barronesses reply to be hostile and unessessary. No one has any right to judge someone like that without knowing there true intentions or character. She seemed like she was getting mad about it. That is not the type of hospitality i would expect from someone on this site. It was kinda rude to say he was thinking about himself and not the snake. If he didnt care about his snake he wouldnt have asked in the first place. I may be wrong but this is the way i feel and saw it.

LdyDrgn · 03-10-03, 08:05 PM

Advice was given to not house the snakes together with many reasons why. Instead of waiting, saving up more money to buy a seperate enclosure, gunslinger went ahead and bought the snake. To me, the want of a new snake was more important than the snake's well-being. This is the way I saw it.

Burm_Crazy · 03-10-03, 09:06 PM

Peruvian Boa $250
Tote for teporary housing $5

People who gets pissed of by hearing the truth about what should have been done: Priceless

Look folks, as was pointed out, the two types of boas require totally different habitats. This in itself should have beent taken into consideration BEFORE the snake was purchased. If you are unable to provide the proper habitat for each snake then you should have waited until you can. There was nothing hostile in what was stated by others, they were pointing out BASIC boa husbandry. With all of the diseases and parasites around, it is not a good idea to house boas together. What if one has IBD? then both snakes will be infected. And to date there is no cure for it, so you have two dead snakes.

It amazes the heck out of me the attitude people take whensomeone points out that they are wrong. After 25 + years in the hobby, I still get that attitude from people who weren't even born when I started. Now I don't claim to and never will claim to know everything about any snake, but I figure I have a few years experience under my belt and would not mind passing some of that experience onto others. But if this is the way people are going to react to it, then I might as well just stop posting advice and suggestion to those and offer it only to those people who really appreciate it.

Ritus_Reptile · 03-10-03, 09:25 PM

Again as i said, there is no reason to be rude and hostile to someone. There are better, more mature ways to explain to someone the correct way to care for there animals. This site is known for friendly, educated people not rude, judgemental people.

burm_crazy good idea bringing up the temporary tote. Most people dont even think about useing them.

gunsligger you can get them at home depot or wal mart for a really good price.

BurmBaroness · 03-10-03, 09:32 PM

I believe that it was explained maturely to him by more than one person, and the advice was ignored. I was not being rude in my post, I was being HONEST, which it seems that alot of people here have a hard time with. Don't ask for advice or opinions if you don't want an honest answer. I am not a "yes, I agree", or "hey, that's cool" kind of person. I do not know everything, but I have enough common sense to know that housing 2 snakes together is not good, I quarantine all my new snakes, and the only time they are housed together is for breeding, same species.
There are several snakes I'd like to have, but without the room or the proper setup, I know better than to go buy it anyway, and stress the animal out, or bring disease or parasites into my collection. And that's "MS" BaronASS, thank you.

Burm_Crazy · 03-10-03, 09:36 PM

I wasn't being rude.

I was just reinforcing what others have said and what this person seemed to have to blew off as bull.

This is why I get frustrated. They ask for advice, then throw it away and do what they want which most of the time is not in the best interest of the snake or lizard in question.

It is frustrating. If they are not going to accept our advice from our own experience, then why bother coming in here at all asking questions that they think they already know the answers to.
They just end up doing exactly what they want and the animal suffers the harm.

Some people have housed some snakes together without diffioculty. My adivce and that of many others is not to. Especially with IBD. This person has no clue if the snake he already ash or the one he just got has IBD. There is no way to tell until after the snake is dead. By that time it can infect and wipe out a whole collection.
Housing two corn snakes from different locales is one thing, but two different species of boa is another. Even some smaller snakes such as Ringnecks and brown snakes can be housed together as they require basically the same habitat. But these two species of boa that he mentioned require different habitats and should not be housed togehter.

But I digress.... This is starting to turn into a rant.

Thats my advice, freely given from my 25+ years of experience. Take it or leave it.

Ritus_Reptile · 03-10-03, 09:43 PM

burm_crazy i wasnt refering to you sorry for the mix up man,i guess i wasnt clear with my second post. I posted a second post because I dont think my point was understood. I was just saying to baroness that she could have been nicer about it. Her points are very valid and i thought that the way she went about it was kinda rude. In fact i complimented you for bringing up to tote idea

. You also went about getting your point across without being rude.

I also didnt like the fact that gun said oh well after everyone gave him there advice

Ed_r · 03-10-03, 09:47 PM

Funny how I just posted a small novel on this subject. Never house to defferent subspecies together. they have similar, not the same housing requirements. The come from different locals, and possibly have different tolerances. If you cant afford to house them properly you should wait until you could. Here is the link to my post. Words to herp by. be responsible.

http://www.ssnakess.com/forums/showt...threadid=12043

Not to mention ALL new additions should be quarentined for at least 90 days before introducing to your collection.

Grant vg · 03-10-03, 09:53 PM

Gun,

Never did Ms. Baroness include any exclamation points or capslock in her post. I would have written the same thing in that position. And i read it as straight observation, not character attacks.
You asked for advice and was given plenty of "good" "solid" reasons why not to keep them together.
you then got that snake anyways, and housed two completely different sized/types of boa together, something that is totally against husbandry standards.
So dont expect not to be called on it. and you were called on it in a much nicer manner then most ppl would have responded.

An attitude of "Oh well" makes me think you dont really care for your animals, however, as u stated, we dont know you, but your present attitude is all we have to go on.
So in the future, for the well being of your snakes, take the time to take in ppls advice and make a wise decision.
Its a bitch to have to wait a few more months to get that "oh so wanted snake", but atleast you know u will be housing it properly and giving it the environment that is needed.

gvg

Jeff_Favelle · 03-10-03, 10:07 PM

Burm_Crazy and BurmBaroness, why do you think I stopped posting! I fully agree with everything you had to say! Why do you think that none of the big breeders post anymore? Its just not worth it 90% of the time. People want help and when it isn't worded the way they like, wammo! they go nuclear. Not for me. I have too much to do in a day, every day to deal with that. It took me 1980+ posts, but I learned my lesson, LOL!

Thanks for the good reads.

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It amazes the heck out of me the attitude people take whensomeone points out that they are wrong. After 25 + years in the hobby, I still get that attitude from people who weren't even born when I started. Now I don't claim to and never will claim to know everything about any snake, but I figure I have a few years experience under my belt and would not mind passing some of that experience onto others. But if this is the way people are going to react to it, then I might as well just stop posting advice and suggestion to those and offer it only to those people who really appreciate it.

BoidKeeper · 03-11-03, 05:14 AM

Ha ha, what took you so long Jeff? I've learned from you, and I'm not just talking incubators!
Cheers man,
Trevor

gunslinger · 03-11-03, 10:36 AM

okay, first of all, i had already laid a down payment on the snake BEFORE my first post... probably not the best idea i admit. i came here looking for friendly advice, and got it for the most part, until my post the other day, which i feel got a rude and unwarranted response from baroness.
i can very freely admit that i have no where near the knowledge of some people (when it comes to snakes) who post here, which is the reason i came here in the first place. i wish to appologize for my VERY rude response to the baroness... it is immature and stupid to call someone down for their attitude, then give them twice the attitude back... i think burm hit the nail on the head... there was some truth to the baroness' statement, but i think everyone will agree that it could have been stated without casting aspersions on my character, which does nothing but get people pissed.

now, just for the record, i have been saving enogh money to purchase separate housing for my peruvian boa. i should have saved up enough for a decent house for him by the end of the month. it was never my intention to leave them in the same habitat forever, but as i mentioned earlier, by the time i had posted on your site, i had already put down payment on the boa. i'm sure that some of you will view this as irresponsible on my part, and you are probably right, but nobody's perfect, and until you have at least met me, you have absolutely no right to judge me... so back off.

ps, in response to other posts:

Ritus, i appreciate the backup. points could have been made without character attacks.

Grant, an exclamation point wasn't necessary. If i'm the only one who could tell that the baroness was pissed, then maybe i'm crazy, but i don't think so. and, once again for the record, i had already laid down money on the snake when i posted the first time, and my concern for the snake should have been made apparent to all by my desire to post in the first place. upon reading everyone's advice, i began saving money for a separate setup for the peruvian. my post the other day was just to let everyone know that the snakes were doing fine, the small one hadn't been crushed, didn't appear to be stresses, and the oh well was an attempt and reverence and levity, as in "oh well, i guess **** happens"... so please, don't judge me. it's very easy to mistake someone's meaning if all you have to go on are his or her written words (as might be apparent from my reaction to the baroness' post, which could very well have been pure observation, but since i am only reading what she wrote, it's very open to gross misinterpretation), so, in the future, how bout we ask before we judge?

anyways, i want to thank everyone one more time for all their helpful advice. i will be purchasing a tote today with some spare moss and a small water dish, just until i can afford that new house...
let me appologize if i offended anyone, i have a tendency to do that on occasion, especially if my feelings are hurt
now, how bout we squash this beef and get back to the forum's true topic... boa's!!

BurmBaroness · 03-11-03, 11:06 AM

I also apologize if you took my post the wrong way. I was in no way pissed off, just thought no one would or should buy a snake without proper housing. My fault for assuming everyone thinks to use a plastic tote as "Temporary" housing. BTW, if I DO get mad, believe me, it will be very apparent....lmao. Although I will still refrain from dursing or calling names.

asphyxia · 03-11-03, 01:11 PM

Well now all lets just sit down and have some pie together shall we
LOL

Brian