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07-26-13, 02:48 PM
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Re: Sad day in my collection
Ugh . . . I'm sooo sooo sorry to hear this. 
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07-26-13, 02:58 PM
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Re: Sad day in my collection
I am so sorry Kim! I know how much your animals mean to you,so i can only imagine how hard this is for you
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07-26-13, 03:23 PM
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Re: Sad day in my collection
Yup. Very sorry for your loss
But at the same time congrats on your success as a keeper.
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07-26-13, 06:02 PM
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Re: Sad day in my collection
Sorry to hear of the loss. However as for the perches being washed, plastics do what is called out gassing which can not be washed away. All plastics do it on different levels for example a car windshield gets the haze most people blame on smoke or dust. Here is a link that may make people think twice about using PVC
PVC plastic products outgas poisons
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07-26-13, 07:49 PM
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Re: Sad day in my collection
That was a gorgeous snake, I'm sorry to hear he passed.
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07-26-13, 09:50 PM
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Re: Sad day in my collection
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Originally Posted by BryanB
Sorry to hear of the loss. However as for the perches being washed, plastics do what is called out gassing which can not be washed away. All plastics do it on different levels for example a car windshield gets the haze most people blame on smoke or dust. Here is a link that may make people think twice about using PVC
PVC plastic products outgas poisons |
Scary. So according to that article, snake cages made out of pvc will outgass forever? That would be like putting a snake in a gas chamber(a very slow gas chamber). If that's the case I just wasted a lot of money on pvccages.
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07-27-13, 05:46 AM
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Re: Sad day in my collection
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Scary. So according to that article, snake cages made out of pvc will outgass forever? That would be like putting a snake in a gas chamber(a very slow gas chamber). If that's the case I just wasted a lot of money on pvccages.
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with proper ventilation it shouldn't be a problem however lets not hijack this thed i will start another to talk about this
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07-27-13, 10:05 AM
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Re: Sad day in my collection
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Sure Alessia, I'd love it if you posted more pictures!
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08-06-13, 06:44 AM
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The Original Urban Legend
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Re: Sad day in my collection
BryanB, the PVC perches have been in use by many keepers for many years...I don't think PVC had anything to do with it. As I mentioned earlier in the thread, this locality of Wagler's viper seems not to survive for very long in captivity.
I just heard from a friend of mine at the Hamburg show on Saturday that a fellow in the snakes' native Malaysia has been doing a study on the local snakes. He's completed about 125 necropsies on deceased specimens and found that 99% of the snakes had ONLY frog matter in their stomachs. This leads me to wonder if there is something about feeding rodents or chicks in captivity that causes internal damage or organ failure or malnourishment to these snakes?
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08-06-13, 09:50 AM
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Re: Sad day in my collection
I'm so sorry for your loss, what a true beauty.
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08-06-13, 10:26 AM
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Re: Sad day in my collection
Has anyone tried feeding strictly frogs?
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08-06-13, 10:39 AM
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The Original Urban Legend
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Re: Sad day in my collection
SMY, I honestly don't know. The research from Malaysia just came out within the last month. He had also collected deceased captive specimens that people had lost, and found they all had markers of liver and kidney disease. His hypothesis is that the vipers receive much of their hydration from eating frogs, and that a diet of rodents/birds will strain their GI tract, cause loss of moisture and lead to kidney failure from dehydration and fatty liver disease.
I have been talking to a good friend of mine that deals with a lot of arboreal viperids, and if we have the chance to get more Sumatran Wagleri at some point, we will try all-frog diets for them. The problem is that if you buy a long-term captive specimen (fresh imports rarely turn up for sale) it likely already has some kidney/liver damage from rodent diet.
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