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05-29-17, 02:40 PM
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Re: 2017 California Red sideds...
Very very pretty. Congratulations. Must be said I'm getting a bit of a yearning for some garters and I have the perfect spare enclosure.
As for the reproductive side of the hobby I can't wait to get started as I can imagine the challenge and reward is a real buzz.
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05-29-17, 11:53 PM
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Re: 2017 California Red sideds...
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Originally Posted by Scubadiver59
Purty...real purty! Almost makes me want one...almost!
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Thanks Scuba! Garters are a very cool species to interact with. The multitude of morphs is exploding. Pioneer Jeff Benfer aka the garter snake morph recently produced a worlds first erythrystic albino golden eastern garter snake.
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Albert, PM a price for a 1.1 pair with shipping included please.
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. PM sent. Thanks Mink.
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Originally Posted by ThirteenRavens
If I was going to have a garter, this would be it!!! Gorgeous babies!
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. Thanks TR. These guys (Infernalis) are a very sought after subspecies. Almost a must have. Lol.
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Originally Posted by dannybgoode
Very very pretty. Congratulations. Must be said I'm getting a bit of a yearning for some garters and I have the perfect spare enclosure.
As for the reproductive side of the hobby I can't wait to get started as I can imagine the challenge and reward is a real buzz.
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. Thanks db. I saw where you previously expressed a desire for garters. Yeah, follow that yearning. Can't wait to see you get started with them.
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05-30-17, 12:07 AM
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Re: 2017 California Red sideds...
The babies of this subspecies color up with their red as they shed out. You can see a couple of them are already more colorful than their siblings. Parents are unrelated and both first timers in breeding and producing.
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05-30-17, 12:53 AM
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Re: 2017 California Red sideds...
Oh, those are some cute little worms. Mom and Dad are knockouts!
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05-30-17, 03:30 AM
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Re: 2017 California Red sideds...
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Oh, those are some cute little worms. Mom and Dad are knockouts!
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. Thank you SD. Yep the parents are a superior mix no doubt. The male came from a breeder in South Carolina, the female from a breeder in Iowa..
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05-30-17, 12:57 PM
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Re: 2017 California Red sideds...
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These guys (Infernalis) are a very sought after subspecies. Almost a must have. Lol.
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Agreed!! I am seriously tempted lol...I may be moving here in the next month or so and wouldn't want to pick up anything new until I get that obstacle cleared
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05-30-17, 01:59 PM
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Re: 2017 California Red sideds...
Beautiful snakes Albert, thanks for posting the pics mate
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05-30-17, 08:44 PM
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Re: 2017 California Red sideds...
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Originally Posted by ThirteenRavens
Agreed!! I am seriously tempted lol...I may be moving here in the next month or so and wouldn't want to pick up anything new until I get that obstacle cleared
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Well, when you are stabilized and ready to go garter I will be glad to assist you. Thanks.
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Beautiful snakes Albert, thanks for posting the pics mate
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Thanks dave. Glad you enjoyed the pics.
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05-31-17, 02:04 PM
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Re: 2017 California Red sideds...
Wooooooow. Are these San Francisco ones? They look like them, but I could be wrong. Cause I thought the San Fran ones were illegal to have since they have such a small habitat. Asking cause I love the looks of these. OOOok I answered my own question: They are not! haha. So pretty. Is there regulations about selling to someone in California if you know?
I actually went to a lecture about the Giant Garter snakes we get around my area... to go a little off the topic.
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05-31-17, 09:41 PM
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Re: 2017 California Red sideds...
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Originally Posted by Magdalen
Wooooooow. Are these San Francisco ones? They look like them, but I could be wrong. Cause I thought the San Fran ones were illegal to have since they have such a small habitat. Asking cause I love the looks of these. OOOok I answered my own question: They are not! haha. So pretty. Is there regulations about selling to someone in California if you know?
I actually went to a lecture about the Giant Garter snakes we get around my area... to go a little off the topic.
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. Thanks. No. These are not T.S. Tetratenia (San Francico garter snake), who are federally protected. These are T.S. Infernalis (California red sided) whose conservation status is now threatened in the wild. I would think that selling them to someone in California could be illegal as they are a native species to the state.
T. Gigas ( Giant garter snake) also has a conservation status of "threatened". Native to California. Neither Infernalis nor Gigas are federally protected but are on the state level as native species that are threatened.
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06-01-17, 07:58 AM
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Re: 2017 California Red sideds...
I've been wanting a group of garters with blue! Price? (or pm me) if you are shipping them? How early can you tell gender on the species?
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06-01-17, 10:21 AM
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Re: 2017 California Red sideds...
Congratulations, Albert. A very nice garter sp. to look at for sure.
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06-01-17, 11:07 AM
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Re: 2017 California Red sideds...
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Originally Posted by Albert Clark
. Thanks. No. These are not T.S. Tetratenia (San Francico garter snake), who are federally protected. These are T.S. Infernalis (California red sided) whose conservation status is now threatened in the wild. I would think that selling them to someone in California could be illegal as they are a native species to the state.
T. Gigas ( Giant garter snake) also has a conservation status of "threatened". Native to California. Neither Infernalis nor Gigas are federally protected but are on the state level as native species that are threatened.
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Yeah you're probably right. But man oh man these are lovely. I want one haha.
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06-01-17, 03:01 PM
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Re: 2017 California Red sideds...
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Originally Posted by akane
I've been wanting a group of garters with blue! Price? (or pm me) if you are shipping them? How early can you tell gender on the species?
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. Sure! Will do the pm on the details. Once they start putting on size you can tell. Usually by popping them when they are this small. They have been a bit challenging to get started feeding. A couple are better feeders than others.
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Originally Posted by Andy_G
Congratulations, Albert. A very nice garter sp. to look at for sure.
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. Thanks Andy. They are nice to look at.
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Originally Posted by Magdalen
Yeah you're probably right. But man oh man these are lovely. I want one haha.
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Thank you. They are very colorful and can sometimes have a little attitude as youngsters as they put on a little size.
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06-07-17, 01:36 PM
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Re: 2017 California Red sideds...
These guys have been very challenging to get started on food. All of them have eaten several meals but have a ways to go before they are ready for new homes. Still waiting for my other female Cali to drop her litter. Stay tuned.
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