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01-15-14, 01:59 PM
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Re: Another avoidable tragedy with live feeding
The look on the python's face is the hardest part to deal with. There are numerous photos all over the net where the snake is chewed up, but none where it's clearly visible the amount of pain the snake is enduring as it's eaten alive.
I am going to sticky the thread.
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01-15-14, 02:13 PM
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Re: Another avoidable tragedy with live feeding
Such a shame!!!! ;(
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01-15-14, 02:53 PM
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Re: Another avoidable tragedy with live feeding
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Originally Posted by CK SandBoas
I just do not get it.....All the person had to do was stay in the room, and watch to make sure something like this didn't happen.... Heck, when I had to feed a female Ball I had live prey, I stayed in the room... even though the short squeal by the rat did get to me when the female struck and grabbed her....but I stayed until the female had the rat halfway down......
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I agree keeping an eye on the animal while feeding can help, there are still no guarantees that a rodent wouldn't sink it's teeth into a snakes eye when the snake grabs it and do permanent damage.
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01-15-14, 04:10 PM
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Re: Another avoidable tragedy with live feeding
This is just horrible to see
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01-15-14, 05:00 PM
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Re: Another avoidable tragedy with live feeding
This was tragic and the owners absolute morons.
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01-15-14, 05:11 PM
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Re: Another avoidable tragedy with live feeding
This was also posted on a reptile page that I joined on facebook, so many people were arguing over it. I couldn't believe the amount of people that are still willing to risk this happening to their snakes. One girl even said that snakes are predators naturally so if you aren't going to feed your snake live prey then you shouldn't own a snake at all. I was seriously speechless.
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01-15-14, 05:20 PM
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Re: Another avoidable tragedy with live feeding
It's all about risk mitigation. Yes, they are predators and yes the get injured in the wild when eating. Many predators do. Lions get kicked by zebras, etc...however, I really have no desire to risk *potentially* having my gamma jag or diamond python bit (let alone eaten) by a rat. I am minimizing the risk I'm willing to take. It's not rocket science.
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01-15-14, 06:20 PM
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Re: Another avoidable tragedy with live feeding
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Originally Posted by MDT
It's all about risk mitigation. Yes, they are predators and yes the get injured in the wild when eating. Many predators do. Lions get kicked by zebras, etc...however, I really have no desire to risk *potentially* having my gamma jag or diamond python bit (let alone eaten) by a rat. I am minimizing the risk I'm willing to take. It's not rocket science.
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Also, in the wild, the snakes arnt trapped in a feeding tank with the prey. They can just simply go else where if they don't want to eat.
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01-15-14, 06:26 PM
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Re: Another avoidable tragedy with live feeding
I have never bought into the whole they won't eat FT argument. 99% of all Australian snakes in captivity eat FT/FK. If a whole country can do it so can anyone else...
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01-15-14, 08:54 PM
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Re: Another avoidable tragedy with live feeding
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Originally Posted by red ink
I have never bought into the whole they won't eat FT argument. 99% of all Australian snakes in captivity eat FT/FK. If a whole country can do it so can anyone else...
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It happens. I have a ball python that only eats 8-10 times a year and refuses anything other than live. I agree that most Snakes will in fact take ft/fk if you just keep trying and wean them over. However it's simply not always the case.
That being said, instances like this are unexcusable and it goes to show how truly ignorant many keepers in this hobby can be. And that's unfortunate because an irresponsible few can give the industry as a whole a bad name to outsiders.
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01-15-14, 10:11 PM
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Re: Another avoidable tragedy with live feeding
This broke my heart. This was totally avoidable! All the idiot had to do was SUPERVISE! I can't stand ignorant people man!
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01-15-14, 10:22 PM
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Re: Another avoidable tragedy with live feeding
Find the owner an throw him/her in the rat pit!!
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01-15-14, 10:38 PM
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Re: Another avoidable tragedy with live feeding
from what I read, the owner was a new owner and was told just to put a live rat in the tank...he/she didn't know the risks...now they do...I know it's difficult to switch some snakes to f/t...but luckily so far I have been lucky enough to do it...but still...if I HAD to do it, I never left the side of that tank...if the snake showed no interest within a few minutes, I took it out...
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01-16-14, 06:43 AM
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Re: Another avoidable tragedy with live feeding
disgusting. and the thing with the dog is also disgusting. makes me feel like abusing the people lol. xD
seriously though, looking at that picture makes me sick on multiple levels.
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01-16-14, 07:41 AM
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Re: Another avoidable tragedy with live feeding
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Originally Posted by Sharlynn93
from what I read, the owner was a new owner and was told just to put a live rat in the tank...he/she didn't know the risks...now they do...I know it's difficult to switch some snakes to f/t...but luckily so far I have been lucky enough to do it...but still...if I HAD to do it, I never left the side of that tank...if the snake showed no interest within a few minutes, I took it out...
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I guarantee you at least one person said to feed f/t.
This is a prime example of why veteran keepers get so frustrated with new keepers. When sound advice is given they either ignore it or take the worst advice given. I can point out several examples over the last two months and often by the same person.
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