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Old 10-25-04, 09:21 PM   #241
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Of course it would. Because people like you who don't like what others keep don't give a crap what other people's interests are.

If you don't like it, it shouldn't be legal.

Really sad mentality. You should hope and pray someone with your ideals doesn't come after reptiles next.

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Old 10-25-04, 09:34 PM   #242
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you cant just go around banning everything and what you think as well.. it just doesnt work that way.. there is going to be such big conflict.. and bryant should stop trying to want what winnipeg has.. sure their pit attacks have gone down.. but other dog attacks have gone up.. ppl will just find other breeds to mess up lineage now.. and get those banned pretty soon.. especially with everyone having a bryant mentality...
i hope ppl start using labs and golden retrievers as guard dogs now and get those banned.. so now we can laugh at all those lab owners.. i wouldnt be surprised.. since labs are accounted for the highest number of attacks on humans.. they may not be as severe.. but they are.. and just last year a golden retriever mauled and killed a 7 yr old boy....

and as for the ban.. its a shame that the whole province suffers because the attacks are in toronto.. its too big of a city to have such a serious breed.. its unfortunate really..
but banning isnt the answer to anything..

especially when you tax payers see how much it'll cost annually to enforce the ban...
maybe you'll sing a diff note..
or if it gets out of hand and hits home.. then we'll see how fast you swing around in your thoughts and ideas..
why let the government take away more of our rights?
its a shame people are so ignorant and cant think for themselves but let bryant lead the way with alot of his BS and misinformation.. some attacks he described dogs that werent even pits..

www.understand-a-bull.com check it out.. learn about the breed..

i know its been said.. but it needs to be said over and over..
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Old 10-26-04, 06:36 PM   #243
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Where do you guys get your information??? Other dog attacks are up since the ban in Winnepeg!! And why is anyone who supports the ban ignorant? We're all just misinformed, ignorant yokels because we don't agree with you? The majority has spoken and I happen to agree with it. There are plenty of other breeds that don't pose the potential dangers that Pits do, chose one of them for a pet. And why is it that people always play the fear card. They'll be coming after your pets next, so support us now. What a load of hogwash. You can call the people that support the ban stupid, ignorant whatever you want, it really doesn't matter. Look at the scoreboard. Games over. You lost.
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Old 10-26-04, 06:55 PM   #244
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Lost?? I still have my Pit and will continue to, even after the 'ban'... I'll just follow the new rules.. No big deal there...
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Old 10-26-04, 07:03 PM   #245
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Of course it would. Because people like you who don't like what others keep don't give a crap what other people's interests are.

If you don't like it, it shouldn't be legal.

Really sad mentality. You should hope and pray someone with your ideals doesn't come after reptiles next.

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Its already happening. In Windsor pet stores are forbidden from selling inverts or reptiles/amphibians. Just cats, dogs, birds and fish. Yeah. Its already started.

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Old 10-26-04, 08:06 PM   #246
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Ontario's pit bull ban defies logic


THOMAS WALKOM

In the world of government, attorneys-general are special. They are not just politicians, although they are that, too. They are also the chief law officers of the crown, charged with overseeing the judicial systems that make this country work.

They are not judges. But when they engage in the practice of making laws we expect them to be judicious — to weigh the evidence before acting.

We do not expect attorneys-general to go off half-cocked. They are plenty of other ministers in any provincial or federal cabinet who can do that.

We expect attorneys-general to be logical.

Unfortunately, this is not the case with Ontario's Attorney-General Michael Bryant.

His handling of the proposed province-wide pit bull ban is a classic example of how an attorney general should not act.

From the time he first began to muse about a ban in late August, there were worrying indications that he was planning to forge ahead, regardless of the facts.

Indeed, in the Star last week, Bryant accused those who disagree with him of making a "fundamentalist argument."

I don't think he meant it as a compliment.

So who are these fundamentalists? They are a broad group — including scientists at the U.S. Centers for Disease Control who have investigated the problem, the Ontario Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals, the Canada Safety Council and the Ontario Veterinary Medical Association.

All argue that banning specific breeds such as pit bulls is not the best way to deal with dog bite problems. All cite evidence to back up their positions.

The Ontario Veterinary Medical Association, which represents veterinarians in this province, is not exactly an extremist organization.

But it couldn't get in to see the minister, or indeed anyone on his staff, before he made his decision 11 days ago.

"We wrote to him on Sept.15 and offered to meet," association executive director Doug Raven said yesterday. We followed up with a couple of calls to his staff who said, `We're working on it'."

The association finally did get a faxed reply from Bryant — on Oct.15, the day he announced his decision.

"Unfortunately my schedule does not permit me to meet with you at this time," the letter read.

To be fair, the attorney-general did talk to some opponents of the ban, including representatives from the Ontario Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals.

But he did not appear to talk to some key "fundamentalists" — including cities and jurisdictions that had once banned pit bull and either rescinded or relaxed them.

Britain, for example, banned four breeds — including the pit bull — in 1991. Unauthorized pit bulls were to be killed. Six years and countless court cases later, however, the British government relaxed the law to eliminate the compulsory euthanasia element, in effect giving threatened pit bulls a reprieve, albeit under considerable restrictions.

Cincinnati tried a pit bull ban for 13 years but eventually rescinded it in 1999, saying it was expensive and didn't work.

In Denver, a 15-year-old ban appears singularly ineffective. In spite of the prohibition, the city routinely rounds up and kills dozens of pit bulls annually — 410 last year, according to the Rocky Mountain News.

As a result, Colorado's state government this year passed a law to prevent municipalities from outlawing specific breeds such as pit bulls ("Doggy profiling" is how Governor Bill Owens described the practice).

Bryant cites the experience of Winnipeg. It's had a pit bull ban since 1990. And it is true that the number of dog bite incidents has dropped by about one-third since the ban, from an average of 344 a year in the late 1980s to an average of 236 over the past 14 years.

But what's also true is that even before the ban, pit bulls accounted for fewer than 10 per cent of recorded dog bite incidents — 28 out of 310 in 1989.

Tim Dack, chief operating officer of the city's animal services division, says dog bites have gone down in large part because the city has made an aggressive effort to license dogs, deal with strays, and educate the public.

Bryant has written that Winnipeg's experience proves pit bull owners won't turn to other dangerous dogs when the breed is banned.

That's not what Winnipeg's Dack says. He supports the ban, saying that, so far, it has led to fewer serious bites.

But he also told me that a lot of former pit bull owners appear to have turned to rottweilers and cross-rottweilers and that there has been a corresponding increase of bites from these breeds.

"We don't permit muzzled wolves on leashes in public parks," says Bryant as justification for his ban.

That's not exactly accurate either. Some people do keep wolf hybrids as pets. There's no law against it.
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Old 10-26-04, 08:07 PM   #247
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michael bryant is a piece of crap.. he is not even reading the letters...
a bunch of my friends FINALLY got responses from bryant...after sending around 100 letter each AGAINST the ban
and they all got the same generated letter back thanking them for being for the ban..

and some more info... of bryant being so full of crap..

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/Con...=1098655810378


A-G met experts on pit-bull issue




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Pit-bull ban


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Several recently-published articles and letters have said incorrectly that Attorney-General Michael Bryant has refused to meet with experts and in particular the Ontario Veterinary Medical Association (OVMA) with regard to the proposed ban on pit bulls. I wish to correct the record.

Since announcing the government was considering a pit-bull ban at the end of August, the Attorney-General has met with, heard from, and considered the views of a wide range of interested parties on all sides of the pit-bull debate. Bryant received and considered the OVMA's submissions and wrote to the OVMA inviting it to contact his officials for a meeting. However, their schedules did not permit an early meeting so the Attorney-General's staff and ministry officials met with them on Oct. 21.

Following all these meetings, the government has decided it will introduce a bill that, if passed, will mean a ban on pit bulls and increased restrictions on other dangerous dogs in order to protect people and make our communities safer.


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David Zimmer, MPP, Willowdale,

Parliamentary Assistant to the Attorney-General of Ontario, Toronto

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Old 10-26-04, 08:15 PM   #248
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RFB.. as for the majority has spoken?... all i have heard is crap.. and useless knowledge on apbt that people dont know what they are talking about.. most people dont know what an apbt.. they get blamed for a lot of stuff when they arent even involved.. its pretty unfair that bryant takes a two-sided story and makes it one-sided so people stay less informed and uneducated about the whole scenario and just scares up fear into the public to side with him...its going to be a disaster if this ban kicks in.. and yes it is ignorance not understanding the breed and siding cuz the "majority" has spoken so you need to be on their side.. so much for anyone having rights.. just let the government decide.. . we all know bryant knows best.. *insert laugh here*
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Old 10-26-04, 11:45 PM   #249
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Yeah, looks like the majority sure is speaking..

http://www.pulse24.com/Plugins/Web_P...sp?PollID=1136
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Old 10-27-04, 09:39 PM   #250
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Wow, now thats a significant poll. hahahahahahahaha. No information on how many votes were cast, no info on the demographic of those polled, just percentages. Now that's earth shattering information. And as far as people spouting so called crap about ABPT, I guess as long as the information is against the breed it's crap, but for this animal it's OK??? Here's an idea for you. You don't like Ontarios proposed legislation, you think the government here is run by a bunch of idiots, you think everyone who is against your four footed friend has rocks where their brain should be, well then, MOVE. Go somewhere where the people are more enlightened, where they think your faithful friend is just a loveable mutt that occasionally chews peoples faces off and every once in a while snacks on a chihuahau. Heck, move to the US where everyone has the right to carry handguns or assault weapons and you should fit in just fine. Of course I'm just a stupid, ignorant, uneducated country bumpkin who couldn't possibly have any real knowledge of what APBT are and what they can do. I can't form thoughts on my own, I have to let the government do it for me.
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Old 10-28-04, 09:02 AM   #251
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I agree with RFB, it was a web poll and no info provided as to how many votes, demographics, etc... For all we know we could be talking about a whopping 10 votes
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Old 10-28-04, 09:34 AM   #252
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Man this thread is HUGE now
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Old 10-28-04, 02:27 PM   #253
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and it will continue to grow when people reply with stuff like above...

if people wouldn't bump threads, they'd go away rather quick...

As for that poll.. I never said it was the king of all polls.. I just showed it cause I found it interesting as I know that www.pulse24.com get a LOT of hits per day...
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Old 10-30-04, 04:10 PM   #254
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Regarding the people who sent the letters in and then got back responses thanking them for their support....

If the government was fudging numbers that way, take your story to the press.

Nothing like showing a paper trail of deception to stir things up. It probably won't undo any bans, but could make things hot for the politicians in question if they're falsifying voter feedback.
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