Snakes around the neck?

[CMRetics]

Originally Posted by KORBIN5895

Wow! You still going on about this stuff?

I am unsure where you get off telling people who can and can't have opinions. You keep claiming to have all of this experience but no one really cares because you are just coming across as rude and foolish.

After reading the logic in your posts I think we will have to agree to disagree on that last bolder statement.

Considering you're the first one to start the name calling, I'm the rude and foolish one?

If you don't keep retics, you have no right to comment on their care, handling, or anything of the sort. You sure don't have any right to tell people who have been leaders in their field for 10+ years how to handle their animals, that's for damn sure

[KORBIN5895]

Originally Posted by CMRetics

Considering you're the first one to start the name calling, I'm the rude and foolish one?

If you don't keep retics, you have no right to comment on their care, handling, or anything of the sort. You sure don't have any right to tell people who have been leaders in their field for 10+ years how to handle their animals, that's for damn sure

So out of curiosity who made you god and king? Since when did you get to tell me what rights I have?

Now that we got that straight let me ask you a few questions.

Would you please show a post where I actually called you a name?

How long have you actually owned giants?

Why do you feel you are the industries spokesman?

Also you should probably know people know me here so I really don't look anymore foolish than normal. I have amnesty because I am the village idiot. They really don't expect much from me.

Why do you keep making assumptions about people you dong know?

[StudentoReptile]

Originally Posted by CMRetics

If you don't keep retics, you have no right to comment on their care, handling, or anything of the sort. You sure don't have any right to tell people who have been leaders in their field for 10+ years how to handle their animals, that's for damn sure

If how you (not you personally, but giant keepers as a whole, the good and the bad) handle and keep your snakes can affect my ability/privilege to keep my snakes (either directly or indirectly), then YES, I do have a bit of a right to tell you how to handle them...or in the least, I have every right to voice my opinion on it. Whether you have 10 months or 10 yrs of experience makes no difference to me. If you are handling your snake irresponsibly, you obviously missed something in those 10 years.

By your own admission, giant snakes and venomous are under more scrutiny than other herps by media, animal rights and the govt. I concur wholeheartedly. So it makes sense for those who keep those reptiles to raise the standard for responsibility and how they portray themselves to others, both the general public and other herpers, because new hobbyists are always watching.

[SSSSnakes]

Originally Posted by CMRetics

Also, for the people comparing venomous to big constrictors- it's not even close to the same. A bite from a hot has a high chance of killing you. A large constrictor no, will it even have a high chance of constricting you to death? no. Will it randomly squeeze your neck out of the blue, highly unlikely. Would it go into a feeding response and attack your head and squeeze your neck, also very very unlikely.

The odds of anyone getting killed having the snake near/around their neck especially with others there is beyond slim. The odds of a hot bite killing you are substantially higher.

This thread has brought the level of stupidity to new heights. I just want to say that I feel most venomous keepers are more cautious with their snakes than the people who keep larger snakes. They do realize they are more deadly and show more respect for their snakes. Large snake keepers tend to become to relaxed around their snakes and let their guard down, which leads to more incidents. I keep both venomous and large snakes, so I am not bias toward either.

[Aaron_S]

Originally Posted by CMRetics

Then you are clearly clueless how simple it is to term the word "python" and a large number of people will think it's a big scary snake. You have NO CLUE how politics or this hobby works.

I pray for everyone that you stick to your pathetic excuses for snakes, and stay the hell away from anything "dangerous" like retics. You're cancer to this hobby.

You're a funny one.

I have owned retics and burms BEFORE you probably even knew that people kept them as pets so don't even think I'm a cancer or know what you're talking about. Admittedly, the only subspecies I haven't much work with are the super dwarfs as they were JUST coming out more publicly as I was getting out of giants.

Secondly, I knew I was right about all retic keepers. Snake keeping douche canoes. You consider yourself above anyone who keeps "pathetic snakes". Been where you are, done that. Got the lousy t-shirt.

There you go again assuming things about keepers you know nothing about. Seriously. You're so hypocritical.

Anyway, I know about politics and how the word "python" scares people. I just prefer not get into the politics about the giants as I'm clearly AGAINST keeping them.

I do own my own pythons though. The difference is, mine are of a stature that doesn't scare someone when they see them. They usually get over their fear.

You never did answer my question if you knew what the phrase "backbone of the hobby" means?!

I truly believe the world and the rest of the hobby will carry on quite the way it is if FOUR (4) giant species are removed from private keepers. I say 4 because there's only 4 "common" ones kept. (Burms, retics, green annies, african rocks) Unfortunately, retics make too much money right now so I would expect at least them or just their dwarf counterparts to stay around.

[marvelfreak]

Instead of bicker over if it should be done. How about we educated people on how to properly handle a snake if the decided to do it. Because we all no people are still going to do it so let's give them the tools to do it correct.

You always want to keep your hands near the head and tail. This help you control the snake and if it starts to wrap you can keep it from making a complete wrap. Now with bigger snakes you will always want to keep control of the head and have at least one person near by that can grab the tail if needed.

If you have to unwrap a snake remember the neck and tail are the weakest part of a snake. Just start unwrapping it hand over hand. Always be sure to support their weigh if the feel like they may fall the will tighten their grip. This is why you will see people with bigger snakes draped over their shoulder. Just remember to never let a snake make a complete loop around your neck. Use common since, always be alert, set safety rules and follow them and never underestimate your snakes. You should never have a problem.

[Aaron_S]

I'm going to repost this in the other thread as well.


All things aside, we'll never agree. So I'm going to leave with this last comment.

If the government is all over the giants then we all can agree that these photos can be EASILY taken from the internet and manipulated by the sensationalist media. In your own words everyone is scared of the word "python" so this media would easily have everyone on their side. No one would care to get the true story, you'd be done.

So take away your "experience", your opinion and everything you are and just keep these things away from where the media can get it. That includes social media sites like facebook. The last thing you want is to give ammo to the ones who are working against you.

[StudentoReptile]

Well said, Aaron. Which is one reason I really don't post pictures of my snakes at all anymore, especially on social media sites, save for specialty groups and forums like this.

[red ink]

Big snakes... big egos?

[KORBIN5895]

Originally Posted by red ink

Big snakes... big egos?

And little Johnnys.

[CMRetics]

Again, you guys are terrified of something that has NEVER HAPPENED, and attacking people over "slim chance". It's silly. My pictures of me holding a retic near my neck doesn't affect any of you, nor is it dangerous for me. It's not even based in facts, it's not like you can list people who have been killed by accidental constriction.

Then you base your opinion based on NOTHING and tell those of us who own these animals what we should or shouldn't do, and what we shouldn't post pictures of us doing.

Man, if you want stupidity, there it is in a nut-shell.

[KORBIN5895]

I asked you some straight forward questions and you are ignoring them.

[CMRetics]

Originally Posted by KORBIN5895

I asked you some straight forward questions and you are ignoring them.

I choose not to. Why should I acknowledge you? You're nobody and you're basing all your info on nothing.

[KORBIN5895]

Originally Posted by CMRetics

I choose not to. Why should I acknowledge you? You're nobody and you're basing all your info on nothing.

Lol. So in other words your answers would be embarrassing to yourself.

[CMRetics]

Originally Posted by KORBIN5895

Lol. So in other words your answers would be embarrassing to yourself.

No, just the fact that I honestly don't care about you nor your opinion of me. It's meaningless for me, why go out of my way for someone who is so ignorant and set on their ignorance? Using 0 facts and a track record of 0 snakes hurting people on accident to back up their case. Seems like a waste of time, but I'm bored tonight so why not I'll bite.

Originally Posted by KORBIN5895

So out of curiosity who made you god and king? Since when did you get to tell me what rights I have?

Now that we got that straight let me ask you a few questions.

Would you please show a post where I actually called you a name?

How long have you actually owned giants?

Why do you feel you are the industries spokesman?

Also you should probably know people know me here so I really don't look anymore foolish than normal. I have amnesty because I am the village idiot. They really don't expect much from me.

Why do you keep making assumptions about people you dong know?

I'm not god or king, I don't tell you what rights you have, but you don't tell me what rights I have, especially what to do with my animals and my pictures of my animals, nor do you have the right to tell anyone who to care for their animals or what to do with them.

I believe either you, or that other guy keeps calling people douche, DC, and ******** w/e, haven't paid attention. There's a few idiots in here with the same ignorance/posting style.

I've worked with snakes considered giants off and on since childhood.

Why do I feel I'm the industry spokesman? I don't. I'm just one of the few who is willing/has the extra time to stand up for myself. Most of the industry laughed at this thread and you.