Variety Pack of Boas.

[Manitoban Herps]

True, this thread did teach you what and what not to do to keep you out of trouble

[BoidKeeper]

The moral of this thread is be yourself and be honest. Everyone has the right to privacy but when lies are obivouse it gets you in the end everytime. No one in this hobby needs to try and impress people or be something they are not. Those who do always fall in the end. I for one am more impressed by someone who produces one clutch of normal corns and shows them off and shares the infor about how they did it then someone who has more money than brains and buys expensive morphs. Someone who produces an albino boa will earn way more of my respect then someone who buys one.
So if any good can come from this nightmare I hope it's that honesty is the best policy.
Cheers,
Trevor

[Manitoban Herps]

I would much rather breed normal corns then to buy an albino boa, it feels so good to have something hatch

[BOAS_N_PYTHONS]

Moral to this thread / post:

1. Is if you give your opinion be it positive or negative expect it clashes with other people' s.

2. If you decide to challenge back you must expect they will as well, and for the most part bring emotion than facts.

3. That if you post and don' t put a billion smiley faces in that post / reply people start to assume just about anything.

4. While there are assuming all this they begin to decode your single sentence or paragraphs to piece together an opinion without ever knowing you.

5. While posting expect that equality is only a dream, because while you make an innocent post and have a long record and history of being positive that none of this matters, if people already judged you through rumours. The basic method of knowing people in the real life goes out the door on the internet.

6. Last but not least and this is why this thread went as far as it did "off topic issues" no matter what they are, they had no business being said since the posts original theme was to see photos from people, not get into political gibberish. The people here that took it that far are guilty of the of all (6) above statements.

NOTE.

Any post / thread that goes past 5 pages on average are either wars or is gibberish useless information that usually goes off topic.

The key to this all is "off topic" it happens so much and that is all fine I guess but in issues of these little wars, I feel they do not belong here, not in this forum at least maybe the BOI...but having the facts instead of the rumours is still required, even the proof is still the most important part before jumping in on a war.

PERSONAL NOTE:

This thread would be so old and dead by now, if people had complied with the original post. And I am guilty of giving my opinion on page 2 or 3, it does not matter....but that is where the fire began and all the other offended, rumour opinionated, fact defective, allianated egos and just for kick (dung) distubers made this go off topic and even more a negative post.

Erasing everything I wrote before has a reason and that is this to show people how your opinions on me come from something other than actually knowing me. There is no history through out this forum or BOI of how any of you felt on me, and the ones I was chatting with on MSN said nothing before as well. I mean if you felt the way you all did about me then why continue chatting with me. Its like saying your against drugs and drug pushers yet you ask them over for dinner or a game of golf or babysit your children. Maybe I am different something does offends me has no place in my life. But I made this post about boas and it went way off topic - the plus and problably the best post ever with information - (better add a smiley before people see it wrong) is that people and there friends in any manner be it a polite hello to growing an empire or marrying there sister are all fooling themselves of all the issues brought up in this thread / post.

All anyone has to do is read all this from top to bottom, left to right and see that none of this had its place here, it was all premature and we are all guilty of it.

I have decided my opinion will never be open again for the gossip surgeons to create there own frankenstien.

If anyone needs to express any of this - just PM me.

Tony Pharosx

[Invictus]

I am truly saddened by this post as well.

Some may have noticed that I've become a bit scarce in recent weeks, and my reasons for that, as well as my reasons for making the decision not to breed anything at all this year, are personal, but it seems they've been brought out into the open against my wishes anyway, so maybe I'll do a wee bit of self-defense here.

It started when Trevor decided to drag my name through the mud on the BOI instead of emailing me, or as Matt put it on about page 5 of this post, going public without having the balls to confront me personally about the situation. Trevor, you knew I was in between jobs, and I told you that I would fix the situation as best I could, and I will. I haven't gone on here OR the BOI and made ANY excuses other than the fact that until Jan 15th 2005, I have no money to send you. At least I'm doing that much. I haven't gone on here and INSISTED that the GTP left my house looking AND sounding fine, even though it was the truth, did I? No. Because it sounds like excuses. Nonetheless, you and others like you who like to mudsling instead of resolve conflicts mono a mono are the reason why I'm mostly bailing out of this community until I am 100% certain that I will not make a mistake again. Yes Trevor, it was that - a mistake. you've made some too, I'm sure.

Nonetheless, thank you Trevor for sticking your neck out for me on this post. While I'm disgusted with you and your ****** attitude personally, I see you do still have some honor in you. Thanks.

Speaking of honor and sticking necks out for people, that's what I came here to do for Tony. I'm sorry Tony, I can't do that here. Erasing your own posts only made it so that I can't read your own defenses - but from what I've seen simply from what people have been quoting, you're dead wrong here man. I'm sorry, I can't defend you. I am very certain that I will still do business with you though, when and if you produce some awesome boa morphs, because unlike some arrogant people here, I don't believe that making a few mistakes should crucify someone in this hobby. I've sure made my share. I've said things to and about certain breeders that I wish I can take back, but I can't - I can only hope that when I bounce back, that I can start with a clean slate with some, if not all of them. It would just make things easier if you admitted your mistakes. I admitted mine with Trevor - you can admit yours here. It's liberating, trust me. But he's right, bringing my name into this debate was uncalled for and frankly a bit hurtful.

To the rest of the 'community':

I believe Tony to be a good person with a great passion for the hobby. I hope when the time comes, his slate can be wiped clean in peoples' eyes too, but I realize reps are earned. I mean, I've had FAR more happy customers than upset ones, but I guess the silence of the satisfied is more deadly than the loud mouths of the dissatisfied.

[BoidKeeper]

It started when Trevor decided to drag my name through the mud on the BOI

I didn't sling mud, I stated facts. I never bad mouthed you or said anything about you that wasn't true.

or as Matt put it on about page 5 of this post, going public without having the balls to confront me personally about the situation.

OH but I did email you. Let me refresh your memory,
-----Original Message-----
From: Trevor Furlotte [mailto:tfurlott@nbnet.nb.ca]
Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 4:27 AM
To: Ken LePage
Subject: RE: Testimonial

Back to the vet again to get a new drug. Baytril this time. Cost another $40 on top of the first $82. Intramuscular, boy am I ever enjoying my new Chondro. You said something helping with the bill??? I'm know officially annoyed Ken. I should have stuck to my first proposal of a 30 day back up. You said you wouldn't knowingly sell a sick animal. The more I think about that statement Ken the more I come to the conclusion you can't tell when an animal is sick. That must be it because it is sick and if you knew it was sick you wouldn't have sold it. But since you did part with it in a trade not wanting to trade a sick animal you must not have been able to tell if an animal is sick. Don't forge it arrived sick, it didn't get sick after a few days or even weeks. I heard the initial pop right out of the box.
You'll get your testimonials and public praise for this deal if I get help with the vet bill like you said. I was more than generous on my end Ken, just on the value of the corns alone. Then I also covered the shipping on both animals. And for what a sick Chondro? Yes I believe the least you could do is fork up the cost of the vet bill.
Trevor

Nonetheless, you and others like you who like to mudsling instead of resolve conflicts mono a mono are the reason why I'm mostly bailing out of this community until I am 100% certain that I will not make a mistake again. Yes Trevor, it was that - a mistake. you've made some too, I'm sure.

Who have a slung mud at? I did contact you. All I ever posted were facts. At the time of the BOI posting and as of this moment I don't believe you'll come up with the $82 so that is why I went to the BOI and that is why I'm replying to you here. On the BOI I even took the trouble to give some praise on the deal that you didn't screw up. Why would I have done that if I was out to ruin you or sling mud? I just want my money and to forget the name Ken Lepage. As for your comments about Tony. You're right, reps are earned so to Tony I'll say again, be yourself and be honest. And to you Invictus I'll say stop selling other peoples garbage and you'll have all happy customers.
Trevor

[Invictus]

Believe or disbelieve and forget whatever name you want, Trevor. I think that like some others here, you suffer from delusions of significance. Try not to get a fly up the nose you have poised so high in the air.

[marisa]

Those are really harsh words. Also Trevor has presented his side as professionally as one can hope.

Aside from that this is NOT the BOI, and you guys can just as easily hash this issue out in the BOI. Tony has deleted his posts, so I see nothing to talk about here. We are all stuck up anyways so it shouldn't bother anyone here.

Thread closed.

Marisa