PITBULL ban is happening today - Page 11

Tim and Julie B · 10-19-04, 01:04 AM

But Mykee how is that going to solve anything? Those people will just turn to a new breed of dog instead. Banning them won't stop those people. While all the decent caring owners are being told that they're no longer able to own the breed they love.

TB

Is this the longest thread in ssnakess history?

Shad0w · 10-19-04, 08:53 AM

Well Josh,

Im glad to hear those comments were not directed to me, but i kindly say without any disrespect indended, I think it highly inappropriate and disrespectful to compare a dog ban to the holocaust...

After all, Do you not think that if people are the problem, we are saving the pitbull any further pain and suffering from the ban?

And regarding REAL scientific data... if the CDC's data is not considered scientific... I dont know what is....

BTW.. good morning everyone

Tim and Julie B · 10-19-04, 11:11 AM

Hey. morning! Thought I'd sneak in a couple lines before going back to work

I agree that you should all read "The American Pit Bull Terrier Handbook". Great book, completely unbiased.

While you could see the ban as a measure of protection of the breed, it's not. It's going to all but eliminate this dog from our society, which is in no way fair. We need laws to prevent irresponsible people from owning dogs, plain and simple. Someone needs to get off their flat arse, and spend real time fixing this thing, not covering it up.

See you all when I get back.

Julie

RepTylE · 10-19-04, 11:20 AM

This discussion still going on??????

Shad0w · 10-19-04, 11:23 AM

Yea the debate still rumbles on... not like its going to change a thing.. the ban is here...

beagle · 10-19-04, 11:34 AM

Oh I don't know about that. There is alot being done to try change the ban. I don't know anyone who is taking their dog in to be spayed or neutered. Especially the people who have dogs with champion bloodlines. Muzzle's I can see and I would do, same with chains and leashes. Public parks are another good one I think. I own two, one spayed one not and the one that's not never will be spayed....just bred.

Shad0w · 10-19-04, 11:36 AM

Interesting... according the the new law, how can you breed them legally? Could end up in a whole lotta trouble.

beagle · 10-19-04, 11:37 AM

Oh yeah. Why would debating here change anything anyways. This is for the purpose of discussion, not changing laws or bans.

beagle · 10-19-04, 11:41 AM

Yeah you could end up in trouble. All the ban is going to do is cause alot of people and breeders to do it secretly. Some people of course will follow it completely others that care about the breed won't. These were allowed for many years. You think people are going to give that up just like that?

Shad0w · 10-19-04, 11:42 AM

Well, all it would take is yer neighbours to mention to the authorities what you are doing and yer toast...

At least this will keep the dogs out of public places...

ydnic · 10-19-04, 12:00 PM

Its a sad day when people will so willingly give up their rights

Its also a sad day when people loose compasion for fellow people because they feel that will never happen to me. Its amusing how great something can be when it doesn`t effect you but effects an idea you have in your head.

I am really sorry for everyone out there that will be losing this battle. I personally don`t have a pitbull, but I do have a rotweiler and I am terrified of the comments made by certain people stating that they should go to.

When people so easliy give up rights they don`t think they need the removal of other rights come to follow.

I guarentee this ban will be lobbied and the further it will go (ie. rotweilers, shepards, yes your ever so precious golden retreivers and Labs...) The harder I will work to have every Dog banned.

Why should you be able to have yours if I CAN`T have mine???

beagle · 10-19-04, 12:35 PM

I know what you are saying ydnic. There was even mention of labs. and huskies are going on the list eventually and all larger dog breeds. Personally I don't think that a residential area is a good place for any large dog. I've lived in the country almost all my life with my dogs until recently I had to move to town for abit because of a job change and I do not like it at all for keeping dogs, but we are looking at buying another house in the country shortly so that will take care of that problem. If I had lived in town before I probally never would of got a larger dog, but I was not willing to let them go because I moved in town for abit.

Kimo · 10-19-04, 12:37 PM

well first and foremost, i think we all need to take a step back (me included) and look at this discussion from afar...

first off the ban is NOT here Shad0w its merely been agreed to pose a bill to legislation for the ban of paticular breeds across ontario, that said! Ottawa has pubicly dismissed, and agreed we will oppose this bill, but untill the choice has been made regarding it, this is far from decided, so your points about the ban being in place, are nothing more than hopeful wishing at this point.

second lets discuss and agree upon what a pitbull is? i've scoured both American, European, and Canadian registered breed listings and havent found one breed yet called a "pitbull". there for they dont exist, end of discussion. can we all agree upon that? if so, the use of the term pitbull shouldn't be used in the thread anymore, as they simply just dont exist.

now, if someone could attain information for me regarding attacks by "American Pitbull Terriers", "American Staffordshire Terrier" and the percentage of these breeds attacking, in comparison to every other breed of dog for all of us to see, i would greatly appreciate it, as i'm having trouble finding recorded attacks by both, these breeds.

lets start answering these questions, and see where this debate winds up...i guarantee all you people on the opposite side of the fence, arn't gonna like the answers LoL but find them for yourself!

Josh

forgot to mention, for those who don't understand how Dog breeds are decided upon, in order for an American Pit Bull Terrier to be called such, it would have to come from 100% registered, pure blood lines, on both Bitch, and Stud sides, anything less is classified as a "mix breed" by all registries for dog breeds, that should help some of you in your search for the truth, and answers.

Shad0w · 10-19-04, 01:05 PM

Okay...

You are fooling yourself if you think these dogs, even the purebreds make GOOD family pets for the AVERAGE family... And lets not get into the hybrids / dogs bred for agressiveness and their image in general...

Lets rehash a website that Julie gave out yesterday stating facts on the breed...
Given there are positive points, one cannot overlook the glaring negative points:

www.dogbreedinfo.com/americanpitbull.htm

Summary of negative points:

"a dog of power"
"house the powerful jaws"
"extremely strong for his size"
*** "not recommended for most people." ***
"can be willful and needs a firm hand"
" it will fight an enemy to the death"
"Originally used as fighting dogs"
"may go for the throat of strange dogs"
*** "Socialize very thoroughly when young to combat aggressive tendencies" ***
"fighting instinct in the breed"

Most people would say these things favour an all out ban...

Sure does not sound like a good AVERAGE family pet...
Not many pepople would be willing to do what it takes to properly keep these dogs.. hence.. the ban is appropriate...

In fact.. this article makes them sound down right dangerous in the WRONG HANDS

Face it.. the ban has worked in many municipalities and other countries, whom report a nice decline in the number of overall dog attacks with pitts out of the mix...

Dont fool yourself.. the ban is as good as here...

Kimo · 10-19-04, 01:06 PM

by the way bob...this CDC, what scientific company is that? never heard of it before in regards to dogs... perhaps you can post a webpage, or inform me who they are, not on any listing i have for recognized, scientific canine communities/organizations by the CKC or AKC

Josh