Hybrids

potter545 · 02-27-14, 08:23 PM

Hey, I now this is a touchy subject with alot of people and I understand why.

But I am interested in Snake Hybrids. Maybe owning one at a later time, more so, just the interesting things that have been done.
I personally think they are beautiful animals to keep (not to breed)

Problem is I cant seem to find any Hognose ones.

I was also interested in Hog X Corn, wondering if possible, or if it has been done before....
Be interesting to see if a diurnal and nocturnal animal would produce a biurnal animal, and what type of paint jobs you could get.

anyways... wondering if anyone knows of any projects

Snakeguy5 · 02-28-14, 10:00 PM

The only hognose hybrids you would possibly find right now are western x mexican. It would be very hard to tell though because they are very similar and at one time mexicans were a subspecies of the westerns.

As far as I know, there are no other hybrids made with hognoses. I don't know if a hog and corn would even breed together, its possible, but as of now nothing has been done.

I think the first hybrids we would see are the western, mexican, southern, and eastern hogs bred together. Maybe someone will try one of these species with a species from South America or Madagascar.

shaunyboy · 03-01-14, 07:45 PM

i have NO issues with Hybrids.....

some are good looking others are ugly (down to personal choice)

cheers shaun

Sharlynn93 · 03-01-14, 10:44 PM

I personally love jungle corns, and carpondros! they are very pretty! no harm in selective hybrids, in my opinion...

Mikoh4792 · 03-01-14, 11:26 PM

I'd like to see a hognose cobraconda corn snake

Sharlynn93 · 03-01-14, 11:27 PM

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I'd like to see a hognose cobraconda corn snake

LMAO! that would be a sight to see!

philbyi-guy · 03-02-14, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by shaunyboy

i have NO issues with Hybrids.....

some are good looking others are ugly (down to personal choice)

cheers shaun

Yes and no. If somebody likes them sure. To each their own, but hybrids can ruin the captive bloodlines, leaving very few or no pure animals left. With commonly kept animals this is less of an issue, but it really bothers me when I see hybrid uromastyx, or can't find a pure hogg island boa. People want to play god, and now if you buy a hogg island boa there is likely some mainland influence in it. If uromastyx go that way, they are doomed in the wild. We need captive bloodlines clear. Why can't we just appreciate the millions of years it took for an animal to evolve a certain way? I don't see how a year of mucking up genetics makes it better.

StudentoReptile · 03-02-14, 01:54 PM

Since when are cornsnakes diurnal?

CosmicOwl · 03-02-14, 06:49 PM

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Yes and no. If somebody likes them sure. To each their own, but hybrids can ruin the captive bloodlines, leaving very few or no pure animals left. With commonly kept animals this is less of an issue, but it really bothers me when I see hybrid uromastyx, or can't find a pure hogg island boa. People want to play god, and now if you buy a hogg island boa there is likely some mainland influence in it. If uromastyx go that way, they are doomed in the wild. We need captive bloodlines clear. Why can't we just appreciate the millions of years it took for an animal to evolve a certain way? I don't see how a year of mucking up genetics makes it better.

Unless we're talking about geographically isolated animals, how do we know the genetic purity of an animal? For instance, there seems to be a bit a of hostility towards the ultra/ultramel corn snake gene, because it supposedly came from a Corn x Gray rat snake pairing. But considering the way in which most North American rat snakes naturally hybridize, how do we know that other wild caught morphs didn't arise from a pairing of a corn snake with another rat snake?

potter545 · 03-03-14, 02:32 AM

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Originally Posted by StudentoReptile

Since when are cornsnakes diurnal?

They are not. The hogs are. Corns are the nocturnal ones I referred to.

Mikoh4792 · 03-03-14, 02:49 AM

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Unless we're talking about geographically isolated animals, how do we know the genetic purity of an animal? For instance, there seems to be a bit a of hostility towards the ultra/ultramel corn snake gene, because it supposedly came from a Corn x Gray rat snake pairing. But considering the way in which most North American rat snakes naturally hybridize, how do we know that other wild caught morphs didn't arise from a pairing of a corn snake with another rat snake?

I have no problem with natural intergrades or hybrids, but I just wish people put more effort into keeping lineage/history on these animals. For example in the carpet python world I can't tell whether a carpet is a jungle, jungle x diamond, junglexdiamondxjag sibling...etc just by looking at it. So many of these carpets have unknown lineages. I like coastal x jungles or coastal x diamond intergrades. They naturally intergrade in the wild but people irresponsibly do not keep track of these blood lines and they just go into the market as "unknown".

CosmicOwl · 03-03-14, 03:42 AM

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I have no problem with natural intergrades or hybrids, but I just wish people put more effort into keeping lineage/history on these animals. For example in the carpet python world I can't tell whether a carpet is a jungle, jungle x diamond, junglexdiamondxjag sibling...etc just by looking at it. So many of these carpets have unknown lineages. I like coastal x jungles or coastal x diamond intergrades. They naturally intergrade in the wild but people irresponsibly do not keep track of these blood lines and they just go into the market as "unknown".

I brought ultra/ultramel corns for a reason. When the gene was first recognized it was bred into everything, so now the potential amount of grey snake DNA is any corn is minute. Yet there are still people who want nothing to do with it because of this notion that they are protecting the bloodlines. However, you can't really say that any corn snake is pure blooded. With so many morphs having come from wild stock, there is no way to know what hybrid DNA might have stowed away. It seems somewhat disingenuous to me.

I don't think people should be muddying the bloodlines willy nilly, but some people do get unnecessarily angry about the subject.

Mikoh4792 · 03-03-14, 04:43 AM

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I brought ultra/ultramel corns for a reason. When the gene was first recognized it was bred into everything, so now the potential amount of grey snake DNA is any corn is minute. Yet there are still people who want nothing to do with it because of this notion that they are protecting the bloodlines. However, you can't really say that any corn snake is pure blooded. With so many morphs having come from wild stock, there is no way to know what hybrid DNA might have stowed away. It seems somewhat disingenuous to me.

I don't think people should be muddying the bloodlines willy nilly, but some people do get unnecessarily angry about the subject.

How can you tell if a wild corn is pure anyways? Isn't possible that somewhere along the line other rat snake blood has been crossed with it over thousands of years in the wild? Same rule applied to other non isolated snake groups.

StudentoReptile · 03-03-14, 06:50 AM

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They are not. The hogs are. Corns are the nocturnal ones I referred to.

Shoot, [facepalm] I meant to say, nocturnal. They are actually both diurnal, really.

CosmicOwl · 03-03-14, 12:32 PM

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How can you tell if a wild corn is pure anyways? Isn't possible that somewhere along the line other rat snake blood has been crossed with it over thousands of years in the wild? Same rule applied to other non isolated snake groups.

Exactly. When you consider how many morphs have come from wild caught Florida specimens, it's not impossible that the lines could have cross with one of the other 5 rat snakes sub species living in the state. But for the moment, I think people will just ignore that possibility until it rears it's ugly head somewhere else. Ironically, that's exactly how the ulta/ultramel fiasco started. They just assumed it was a corn an then bred it into everything.

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Shoot, [facepalm] I meant to say, nocturnal. They are actually both diurnal, really.

I think corn snakes can be active during the day and at night. My adult likes to bask during the day and will "hunt" at night. That's just my 2 cents.