Turbine eating in the air.

[poison123]

Didnt know we kept snakes just to swap them out of their enclosures just for feeding?

I have never had a snake mistake my hand for food unless I smelled like mice. My snakes know they're getting food when they smell it.

[Ks42]

Originally Posted by poison123

Didnt know we kept snakes just to swap them out of their enclosures just for feeding?

I have never had a snake mistake my hand for food unless I smelled like mice. My snakes know they're getting food when they smell it.

youre choice to take my words as that is very disapointing, never did i say that was the main reason fo woning a snake,, most people keep them due to enjoying them and having love for snakes, thus taking the proper precaution to ensure that thair helth and safty needs are met to the outmost degree, if putting them in a seperate encloser for a short time to eat is a big deal then maybe owning a snake is to big of a deal in itself.

take my words and twist them how you will,

[CameronVarnish]

my hatchling carpet does that too. its for gravity to push down the mouse.

[LiL Zap]

I know this thread kinda got off topic lol but I feed my snake in her enclosure as well. I use Aspen Snake Bedding and she has ingested it a few times with no problems. Snakes in the wild constantly ingest leaves, sticks etc. I don't think substrate can seriously hurt a snake unless it ingested an unreal amount of it.

[Ks42]

Originally Posted by LiL Zap

I know this thread kinda got off topic lol but I feed my snake in her enclosure as well. I use Aspen Snake Bedding and she has ingested it a few times with no problems. Snakes in the wild constantly ingest leaves, sticks etc. I don't think substrate can seriously hurt a snake unless it ingested an unreal amount of it.

i agree, or if one is using improper substrate that can definetly lead to problems :/

[poison123]

Calm yourself

I'm curious as to how feeding in a separate enclosure is for health and/or saftey precaution?

[Ks42]

Originally Posted by poison123

Calm yourself

I'm curious as to how feeding in a separate enclosure is for health and/or saftey precaution?

calm as a cucumber,
to adress the question, an empty enclosure allows you to fully view both the snake aswell as the live food allowing no where for them to dig under substrate or hide out of view,, keeping a close eye on live feeding so you dont end up with your snake becoming rat food,

to adress the fozen feeding topic, this is for the people who have the issue with there snake possibly consuming there substraight,which if youre using the proper bedding then it shouldnt be a problem, i have herd stories that other keepers snakes have injested bedding thus "causing" death,

its not uncommen for substraight or bedding to cantain FM *foreign material* such as plant seeds, fungi spors and in one case i am rather familiar with, spider/fly eggs. so baking your bedding befor using it is very much encouraged.

[poison123]

Originally Posted by Ks42

calm as a cucumber,
to adress the question, an empty enclosure allows you to fully view both the snake aswell as the live food allowing no where for them to dig under substrate or hide out of view,, keeping a close eye on live feeding so you dont end up with your snake becoming rat food,

to adress the fozen feeding topic, this is for the people who have the issue with there snake possibly consuming there substraight,which if youre using the proper bedding then it shouldnt be a problem, i have herd stories that other keepers snakes have injested bedding thus "causing" death,

its not uncommen for substraight or bedding to cantain FM *foreign material* such as plant seeds, fungi spors and in one case i am rather familiar with, spider/fly eggs. so baking your bedding befor using it is very much encouraged.

Thank for your reply

Snakes generally don't go off to hide once they've got ahold of their prey item. Once they finish feeding then yes.

I too have heard these stories but a lot of times it is just assumptions and the snakes don't get taken to the vet to find out.

Spider eggs and fly eggs will not do any harm if ingested. They would get digested in a matter of time. No clue on how harmful fungal spors are.

[Ks42]

Originally Posted by poison123

Thank for your reply

Snakes generally don't go off to hide once they've got ahold of their prey item. Once they finish feeding then yes.

I too have heard these stories but a lot of times it is just assumptions and the snakes don't get taken to the vet to find out.

Spider eggs and fly eggs will not do any harm if ingested. They would get digested in a matter of time. No clue on how harmful fungal spors are.

fungi spors are the leading cause of lung and respritory issues and can caus alot of issues, and are also very commen in coco husk bedidng as well as plantation soil. nbaking is a must if you ask me

[Starbuck]

Originally Posted by Ks42

fungi spors are the leading cause of lung and respiratory issues and can caus alot of issues, and are also very commen in coco husk bedidng as well as plantation soil. nbaking is a must if you ask me

Every time you pick up your snake, or fill its water dish from the tap, or feed it a live prey item, you are introducing it to fungal spores and bacteria. The World is not sterile, and a properly picked up snake enclosure is not going to kill your snake with exposure to these microbes. Additionally, not all fungi causes disease, i can eat a whole tub of bakers yeast and i won't get a lung infection; it takes the right microbe at the right time, with access to the right environment to cause illness.
A healthy, adult snake with access to proper humidity and temperatures, regardless of its substrate (or ingestion of that substrate... unless maybe it ate a whole slab of repticarpet or something) is NOT going to get sick from 'fungal spores' in its bedding.

I have never baked my substrates, and have used cocohusk, aspen, newspaper, and now cypress mulch, and i have never had an issue with respiratory infections in any of my snakes.

Some of the healthiest, and best-kept snakes on this forum use bio-active substrate, picked up outside and dumped right into the enclosure.

[Mikoh4792]

It's just my opinion but.... I don't think snakes have the cognitive ability to know "this is my feeding tub". They just go into feeding mode when the smell of food is around.

I'm also speaking from personal experience. I feed every single one of my snakes in their enclosures and always have. I've never gotten a food response bite inside the enclosure, only defensive bites.

Again, speaking only by my opinion, I think moving a snake into a tub and then out of it for feeding purposes causes undue stress, especially after a meal.

[Ks42]

Originally Posted by Mikoh4792

It's just my opinion but.... I don't think snakes have the cognitive ability to know "this is my feeding tub". They just go into feeding mode when the smell of food is around.

I'm also speaking from personal experience. I feed every single one of my snakes in their enclosures and always have. I've never gotten a food response bite inside the enclosure, only defensive bites.

Again, speaking only by my opinion, I think moving a snake into a tub and then out of it for feeding purposes causes undue stress, especially after a meal.

snakes reconize sents and smells, thus reconizing the sent of previous feeding//mice in that same enclosure
i myself feed in seperate tubs, never once have i been bit by any of my BPs Boas, or colubridae,with the exception of my ratsnake being an ******* and have never once been struck or even shown signs of hostility,

[Mikoh4792]

Originally Posted by Ks42

snakes reconize sents and smells, thus reconizing the sent of previous feeding//mice in that same enclosure
i myself feed in seperate tubs, never once have i been bit by any of my BPs Boas, or colubridae,with the exception of my ratsnake being an ******* and have never once been struck or even shown signs of hostility,

But I'm not arguing that using a feeding tub raises the risk. I'm only arguing that feeding inside the enclosure is just as good.

[Ks42]

Originally Posted by Mikoh4792

But I'm not arguing that using a feeding tub raises the risk. I'm only arguing that feeding inside the enclosure is just as good.

nor am i, im just stating my opinions as a snake /petstor owner that has encounterd both sides of the fence,
close friend and customer who currentlly pushing 32 diffrent snakes most with breeding pairs has agreed with most things i am saying, regaurdless that he feeds in the enlosures , his snakes are also straight breeders, mine are my family,friends,and children, so i like to make the little acomadations for them

[Mikoh4792]

Originally Posted by Ks42

nor am i, im just stating my opinions as a snake /petstor owner that has encounterd both sides of the fence,
close friend and customer who currentlly pushing 32 diffrent snakes most with breeding pairs has agreed with most things i am saying, regaurdless that he feeds in the enlosures , his snakes are also straight breeders, mine are my family,friends,and children, so i like to make the little acomadations for them

But you are. You said several posts ago that feeding in a tub greatly reduces the risk of getting struck... so in other words you are saying it's better than feeding inside the enclosure, and also chastising people who feed their snakes in their cages for not allotting the time to care for their snakes. Time is not the reason I choose to feed inside the enclosure.

from experience i can say feeding in a separate encloser greatly reduces the chance of being mistaken for feeding time,thus resulting in being struck, if its really to much of a problem to spend 15 minutes swapping enclosers for feeding time then why spend the time and money owning/caring for a snake.