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[murrindindi]

Originally Posted by Barlow

Since I have been a member on varanus.net I have not witnessed him personally attack another well respected member of any forum.

Hi, perhaps you should search through threads around a year or so ago to see how Frank R. told Justin Burokas (krusty) he knew nothing about monitors because he`d never seen them in the wild, and the information he (krusty) was getting from his contacts in Australia was probably not reliable (though Justin had stated they were very reliable sources), this went on for a couple of days, quite purposefully disrespecting/discrediting him publically.
I only "met" Frank Retes a year or so ago on KS, he invited me to join v. net after we`d had a discussion about offering captive Varanids UVB. I`ve found that if I happen to have a different opinion on something I`m undoubtably wrong, and it seems to be mainly because I cannot compete with his breeding successes (so how could I possibly know something that he doesn`t).
The most recent example was the one about Varanids being able to digest (metabolise) fur, etc, I stated they cannot, he, krusty and YOU suggested they can, providing the temps were high enough for digestion (NONSENSE), and as far as I`m aware, no animal can metabolise fur, it passes through undigested as roughage, yet how many members on that website wil take my word for it?
The same with Lace monitors being obligate termite nesters in much of their range, he disagrees, so it cannot be true?
I made a silly, sarcastic remark to Wayne about him posting threads with the correct spelling and grammar, I regret that and would never discriminate against anyone for any reason.

[Lankyrob]

I dont care what he says, what pisses me off is slagging people off behind their back. I am not going to join other forums just to read a couple of threads

[lady_bug87]

Originally Posted by Lankyrob

I dont care what he says, what pisses me off is slagging people off behind their back. I am not going to join other forums just to read a couple of threads

Good thing no one asked you...

[smy_749]

Originally Posted by Lankyrob

I dont care what he says, what pisses me off is slagging people off behind their back. I am not going to join other forums just to read a couple of threads

How quickly the tides may turn when someone starts talking about lankyrob behind his back...I would be curious to see what you have to say about that man, or would you wait till hes around as well? Not that it justifies me talking about him, but I certainly cannot blame crocdoc for his dislike of FR (if you read the thread murr posted here which is on page 61 FR's forum, you can get a taste for what he thinks of crocdoc and probably science/facts in general, He also mentions some mistakes of his other competitors 'pro-exotics and rare earth, saying that they keep animals in crap conditions, so they make up for it with a good nest box, and that's why the only reason monitors use them)

I personally would agree with you, if the man being talked about was a man of respect, who doesn't backbite or mock, and treated his peers as equals. However when you think every one is a monkey and nobody gets it right until you've done it, its a different case. I have a buddy of mine, who hates reptiles mind you, doesn't care for forums, and when FR started responding the way he did, I showed him just to make sure I wasn't overreacting/making something out of nothing. He just said "yea, that dudes an *******" and laughed.....doesn't get much more unbiased than that.

That being said, I don't think people here would discredit the benefit he brings, or not practice something proven to be beneficial in husbandry, only because he uses it or w.e (basking racks). Honestly, his attitude greatly affects his respect, and the manner in which he is brought up in conversation...things would be much different had he been a polite human being.

My point in that rant: karma is a B / taste of your own medicine / he deserves it.

[Vital Exotics]

I have been a daily reader and or "lurker" on KS, V.net, V.nl, RepticZone, and others for about as long as they have been around, I have watched FR's attitude and such over the years, as well as all of the conflicts and disagreements with others. I lost my login on V.net for a while, but still read it daily, then when I started posting again a while back, he "hammered" me pretty hard and criticized every post for quite a while, but now he seems to have settled down with me. I stood up to him pretty hard at times and that seems to have helped but who knows. I have learned tons of info from almost everyone online over the years, him included, weather it was good or bad, you can learn something from it. I have heard the same about him being nice in person and I bet he is for the most part, I just wish he would not be the way he is online, as I hear weekly from customers and or other keepers about how he discourages them from our hobby or sucks to "fun" and enjoyment out of it. What happens to the people who get frustrated by reading or dealing with him on V.net (which is where many new keepers seem to read and some post) and they dont find anywhere else for good info? I know for a fact that it slows down progress for "proper" captive keeping of varanids and also discourages many good keepers from sharing valuable info to others, especially on his forum. It sure would be nice to just focus on the monitors that we all enjoy and leave the egos and confrontational personalities at the door....

[smy_749]

Originally Posted by Vital Exotics

I have been a daily reader and or "lurker" on KS, V.net, V.nl, RepticZone, and others for about as long as they have been around, I have watched FR's attitude and such over the years, as well as all of the conflicts and disagreements with others. I lost my login on V.net for a while, but still read it daily, then when I started posting again a while back, he "hammered" me pretty hard and criticized every post for quite a while, but now he seems to have settled down with me. I stood up to him pretty hard at times and that seems to have helped but who knows. I have learned tons of info from almost everyone online over the years, him included, weather it was good or bad, you can learn something from it. I have heard the same about him being nice in person and I bet he is for the most part, I just wish he would not be the way he is online, as I hear weekly from customers and or other keepers about how he discourages them from our hobby or sucks to "fun" and enjoyment out of it. What happens to the people who get frustrated by reading or dealing with him on V.net (which is where many new keepers seem to read and some post) and they dont find anywhere else for good info? I know for a fact that it slows down progress for "proper" captive keeping of varanids and also discourages many good keepers from sharing valuable info to others, especially on his forum. It sure would be nice to just focus on the monitors that we all enjoy and leave the egos and confrontational personalities at the door....

nicely said. Does he work with water monitors as well? If he does I'm assuming thats what you got hammered over.

[infernalis]

Originally Posted by smy_749

nicely said. Does he work with water monitors as well? If he does I'm assuming thats what you got hammered over.

He hammers people over species he does not nor never has kept.

[monitorlizard]

Originally Posted by smy_749

nicely said. Does he work with water monitors as well? If he does I'm assuming thats what you got hammered over.

He has kept water monitors before. While I don't know all of the species off the top of my head. I do know he has worked with V. cumingi.

[Pirarucu]

Originally Posted by Vital Exotics

I have been a daily reader and or "lurker" on KS, V.net, V.nl, RepticZone, and others for about as long as they have been around, I have watched FR's attitude and such over the years, as well as all of the conflicts and disagreements with others. I lost my login on V.net for a while, but still read it daily, then when I started posting again a while back, he "hammered" me pretty hard and criticized every post for quite a while, but now he seems to have settled down with me. I stood up to him pretty hard at times and that seems to have helped but who knows. I have learned tons of info from almost everyone online over the years, him included, weather it was good or bad, you can learn something from it. I have heard the same about him being nice in person and I bet he is for the most part, I just wish he would not be the way he is online, as I hear weekly from customers and or other keepers about how he discourages them from our hobby or sucks to "fun" and enjoyment out of it. What happens to the people who get frustrated by reading or dealing with him on V.net (which is where many new keepers seem to read and some post) and they dont find anywhere else for good info? I know for a fact that it slows down progress for "proper" captive keeping of varanids and also discourages many good keepers from sharing valuable info to others, especially on his forum. It sure would be nice to just focus on the monitors that we all enjoy and leave the egos and confrontational personalities at the door....

Well said.