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12-20-12, 04:59 PM
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Boa Lover
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Re: Listen up everyone, This ends.
I'm glad you've decided to change things here Wayne... I like to pick apart someone's post as much as the next person, but I expect a good conversation to come from it or to learn something new from it... Not the petty drama that's pretty much normal here now.
Newbs and long term members alike need to work together to get this place back to what it was.
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12-20-12, 06:24 PM
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Re: Listen up everyone, This ends.
see that fire extinguisher right over there??
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12-20-12, 06:43 PM
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Re: Listen up everyone, This ends.
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see that fire extinguisher right over there??
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Ahahaha! That was the perfect set up. Slam slam slam....
Korbin, i'm immune to fire extinguishers. Apparently, nothing can extinguish me. Not even a huge bucket of water thrown on me by a hot girl after i've lit my head on fire trying to impress her....tadaaa.... 
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12-20-12, 07:42 PM
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Re: Listen up everyone, This ends.
The concept is easy, RESPECT. We need to respect others and their opinions, even if we disagree with them. State your point, back it up by facts or experience and leave it at that. You can respectfully disagree with some one, but you do not need to call them names or insult their opinion. Many people do not post because they don't want the drama and verbal attacks that come from other members. Many times there are many ways to do the same thing, with the same results, but we do not need to put others down, because they do some thing differently than we do.
I consider someone a long time keeper who keeps more than just one kind of reptile and has for over at least 10 years. I have kept all kinds of snakes for over 32 years and run a snake rescue and adoption organization, as well as provide educational snake shows to the public. I feel I qualify as a long time keeper and have experience to offer educated advice to this forum. But many times I have not added to a thread do to the drama and name calling that was going on. I'm sure others have felt the same way.
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12-20-12, 11:36 PM
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Re: Listen up everyone, This ends.
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Originally Posted by SSSSnakes
The concept is easy, RESPECT. We need to respect others and their opinions, even if we disagree with them. State your point, back it up by facts or experience and leave it at that. You can respectfully disagree with some one, but you do not need to call them names or insult their opinion. Many people do not post because they don't want the drama and verbal attacks that come from other members. Many times there are many ways to do the same thing, with the same results, but we do not need to put others down, because they do some thing differently than we do.
I consider someone a long time keeper who keeps more than just one kind of reptile and has for over at least 10 years. I have kept all kinds of snakes for over 32 years and run a snake rescue and adoption organization, as well as provide educational snake shows to the public. I feel I qualify as a long time keeper and have experience to offer educated advice to this forum. But many times I have not added to a thread do to the drama and name calling that was going on. I'm sure others have felt the same way.
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Well said.
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0.1.1 '11 Normal Royal Pythons 0.2 '11 Albino Burms 0.2 Rescue Dumeril's Boas (approx 4yrs old) 0.1 '11 Colombian Boa (BCI) 0.1 '11 Cali King 0.1.0 JCP 0.1 '12 borneo 1.0 rose hair T 1.0 cat 1.1 Kids 1.0 Boyfriend
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12-20-12, 11:02 PM
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Abracadabra Holmes
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Re: Listen up everyone, This ends.
I don't post a lot anymore(honestly its mostly just welcoming new members anymore). When I first became a member here, I stayed because of the atmosphere and just about everything was herp related. There was close to no issues with anyone being ignorant, stupid, childish, or anything of that nature. It was just a good ole' reptile forum with people that just wanted to talk reptiles. I still get on here pretty often but some of the stuff I've seen has really started to turn me off to the forum on a whole. Its not everybody but its obviously enough to start turning people away.
I understand that the forum is growing and with that happening there will be personalities that clash. But at the end of the day, I thought we were here to talk reptiles and offer advice so people can provide their animals with the best care possible. Not call people out and do whatever everyone keeps doing. The sad thing is, this isn't the first thread Wayne has started to tell all of us to stop being idiots and get back to why we are here. Since thats the case, I support Wayne 100% if he starts banning people. Hopefully that will wake people up.
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12-21-12, 06:36 AM
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Re: Listen up everyone, This ends.
Make your posts count, not count your posts. Its that simple.
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12-24-12, 04:12 PM
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Super Genius
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Re: Listen up everyone, This ends.
The way this thread has degraded is exactly why I don't post here 1/10th as much as i used to. Though I love a good spirited debate, this has just gotten ridiculous.
I'll be back as a productive member of this community when this site smartens up and tightens up.
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12-24-12, 04:45 PM
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Non Carborundum Illegitimi
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Re: Listen up everyone, This ends.
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Originally Posted by mykee
The way this thread has degraded is exactly why I don't post here 1/10th as much as i used to. Though I love a good spirited debate, this has just gotten ridiculous.
I'll be back as a productive member of this community when this site smartens up and tightens up.
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I for one miss your posts, i have the greatestrespect for yuor knowledge and we are missing a valuable resource without you.
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12-24-12, 07:27 PM
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slainte mhath
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Re: Listen up everyone, This ends.
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Originally Posted by EmbraceCalamity
Not to be a smartass, but aren't most people here longtime keepers?
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this is the type of keeper i was reffering to,when i made the post you questioned in your above quote.....
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imo Mykee is one of the most knowledable Keepers on this Forum,with years of hands on experience,who keeps ball pythons into the hundreds,imo this forum would lose out in Mykee's abscense,as we would no longer be able to get the valuable information,he contributes
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Originally Posted by mykee
The way this thread has degraded is exactly why I don't post here 1/10th as much as i used to. Though I love a good spirited debate, this has just gotten ridiculous.
I'll be back as a productive member of this community when this site smartens up and tightens up.
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Mykee,i hear what your saying and i thought about doing it myself,so i respect your decision
if you ever decide to leave for good,please pm me a way of getting in touch with you,as i value your opinion mate (especially on snake health issues)
cheers shaun
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12-25-12, 08:29 AM
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Re: Listen up everyone, This ends.
Not to knock Mykee's experience and knowledge (I concur with his BP smarts), nor do I care whether he stays or goes, but he's not the only knowledgeable person on ball pythons out there. I disagree that this forum would "be lost without him." IMHO, that's the kind of pedestal-creating that gives people their big heads, which leads to an excess of arrogance, which leads to people griping about them being rude.
Again, its not personal to anyone specifically. But your outlook is akin to saying this forum would be lost without Gregg's advice on varanids, Wayne's knowledge on garters, or my information on tortoises. It would go on fine if any one of us decided to take a sabbatical.
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12-25-12, 10:01 AM
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Village Idiot
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Re: Listen up everyone, This ends.
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Originally Posted by StudentoReptile
Not to knock Mykee's experience and knowledge (I concur with his BP smarts), nor do I care whether he stays or goes, but he's not the only knowledgeable person on ball pythons out there. I disagree that this forum would "be lost without him." IMHO, that's the kind of pedestal-creating that gives people their big heads, which leads to an excess of arrogance, which leads to people griping about them being rude.
Again, its not personal to anyone specifically. But your outlook is akin to saying this forum would be lost without Gregg's advice on varanids, Wayne's knowledge on garters, or my information on tortoises. It would go on fine if any one of us decided to take a sabbatical.
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I understand your point but there are few people here that only post when they are right. I have asked mykee several times why he hasn't posted on a certain thread and he replies " I have no experience" or " I'm not sure".
As far as I'm concerned there are few people here that I truly trust with their advice. I don't want people that just regurge info they got off the internet that was authored by a person that had a cousin that was married to a person that had a friend that owned a royal for two weeks and feels they are qualified to write a care sheet.
The real issue is we have people that can't care for a pet rock trying to tell others how to care for snakes.
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12-25-12, 10:17 AM
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slainte mhath
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Re: Listen up everyone, This ends.
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Originally Posted by KORBIN5895
I understand your point but there are few people here that only post when they are right. I have asked mykee several times why he hasn't posted on a certain thread and he replies " I have no experience" or " I'm not sure".
As far as I'm concerned there are few people here that I truly trust with their advice. I don't want people that just regurge info they got off the internet that was authored by a person that had a cousin that was married to a person that had a friend that owned a royal for two weeks and feels they are qualified to write a care sheet.
The real issue is we have people that can't care for a pet rock trying to tell others how to care for snakes.
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i'm the same Kevin.....
if i have no experience in something,or i'm unsure,then i will NOT post...
i may post and point them in the direction of someone,who can answer their question....
but if i don't know something,then i'm the first to admit it and i keep out the conversation
imo theres too many people spouting regurged bad info from google,hell if you don't know something,then don't guess of become a google warrior
cheers shaun
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12-25-12, 10:03 AM
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slainte mhath
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Re: Listen up everyone, This ends.
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Originally Posted by StudentoReptile
Not to knock Mykee's experience and knowledge (I concur with his BP smarts), nor do I care whether he stays or goes, but he's not the only knowledgeable person on ball pythons out there. I disagree that this forum would "be lost without him." IMHO, that's the kind of pedestal-creating that gives people their big heads, which leads to an excess of arrogance, which leads to people griping about them being rude.
Again, its not personal to anyone specifically. But your outlook is akin to saying this forum would be lost without Gregg's advice on varanids, Wayne's knowledge on garters, or my information on tortoises. It would go on fine if any one of us decided to take a sabbatical.
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i did NOT say the forum would be " lost without him " (those were your words)...
i said the forum would " lose out " on Mykee's knowledge,should he leave (there is a HUGE difference,in your statment,to my statment )
i said he is " ONE " of the most experienced/knowledgable keepers on this forum (not thee most)
i did NOT say he was the " only " one,but one by one we've lost a good few keepers,city snakes,gonesnakee,etc
re losing experienced members
if we lost Mykee,Wayne,Gregg.....
then your saying the forum would NOT " lose out " on having access to the information,these guys give out.....
so with a forum full of new keepers,who would give out the quality advice,that has been aquired from years and years of hands on experience...
the answer to that is NO one would
re on a pedestal
recognising someones knowledge and experience is NOT putting someone on a pedestal...
its merely showing recognition of their experience,NOTHING more
i feel your burying your head in the sand mate...
if ALL the LONG TIME KEEPERS bail...then the quality of information PLUMMETS,no ?
its NOT a PISSING contest mate,its all about the QUALITY of the information given out,nothing more imo
cheers shaun
p.si'm off to xmas dinner with the in laws,but i'll post an example of what i mean,when i have more time tonight mate
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12-25-12, 09:38 AM
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Re: Listen up everyone, This ends.
Thank you Wayne! On some post's I really feel bad that a new poster gets a childish fight on their post with the OP's topic and question ignored, if they want to find an answer they have to weed through a bunch of immature name calling.
That said if you don't know then don't post just because it's fun to post! We have all made mistakes, and of course we all learn that way. I love how active this forum is, lots of memebers.
There is enough negitivty with the non-reptile people out there we don't need it in our hobby as well!
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