bad reaction to my snake's meds??? help!!! - Page 4

KORBIN5895 · 02-13-12, 09:39 PM

Could it be a blister? Is the blood red or purple?

RebelArtt · 02-13-12, 09:45 PM

it looked purple #1 cuz her pattern is dark & #2 cuz there was so much of it. but when she would move, the blood would move as well, & in spots that it thinned out, it was red. & it happened within during her warm bath or shrotly after it when she was put back in her tub.

Skumbo · 02-13-12, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by RebelArtt

it looked purple #1 cuz her pattern is dark & #2 cuz there was so much of it. but when she would move, the blood would move as well, & in spots that it thinned out, it was red. & it happened within during her warm bath or shrotly after it when she was put back in her tub.

not much we can do, we're mostly curious. get her to a new vet ASAP.

I really hope this works out to not be anything life threatening or turns out it is something treatable.

Will0W783 · 02-14-12, 09:06 AM

You need to be giving injections in the FIRST third of the body, NOT near the tail end. Snakes have a renal portal system, so all blood and lymph fluid circulates through the front half of the body, then the kidneys, then the back half. Giving an injection in the tail end means that it will all be filtered out via the kidneys before it has a chance to get to the infected lungs.

You need to get a new vet..>ASAP. The one you are going to is likely not knowledgeable.

RandyRhoads · 02-14-12, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Will0W783

You need to be giving injections in the FIRST third of the body, NOT near the tail end. Snakes have a renal portal system, so all blood and lymph fluid circulates through the front half of the body, then the kidneys, then the back half. Giving an injection in the tail end means that it will all be filtered out via the kidneys before it has a chance to get to the infected lungs.

You need to get a new vet..>ASAP. The one you are going to is likely not knowledgeable.

Awesome advice, I had no idea about this and apparently neither did my previous vet.

Wolfus_305 · 02-14-12, 03:16 PM

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Awesome advice, I had no idea about this

Mhmm I agree, I didn't know that. That's pretty cool!

Do you know if that is for survival reasons? like if a snake gets bit on the tail and it gets affected it will not spread as quickly or something?

Will0W783 · 02-14-12, 03:19 PM

Guys, that bloated tail looks to me like a sign of impaction/constipation. The animal is severely swollen near the cloaca. Either it's getting ready to take a massive poo, or perhaps the injection was given improperly and punctured the intestinal wall, causing an infection?

I'd like to hear an update from the OP- how is the snake doing? Any bowel movements? From now on, give injections in the first 1/3 of the body...NOT the tail end.

Wolfus_305 · 02-14-12, 03:22 PM

^^ Also, OP how did the vet visit (to the new vet) go this morning??

Will0W783 · 02-14-12, 03:25 PM

Wolfus, the renal portal system is not for survival, it's just a more primitive arterial/venous system.
Reptiles have a 3-chambered heart, instead of 4 chambers like we mammals do. Deoxygenated blood (that has gone through the body) flows in from either side (2 ventricles) and is reoxygenated. However, because there is only one atrium (exit chamber) in the heart, the deoxygenated blood from one side gets mixed in with the reoxygenated blood from the other side of the heart....thus their system is much less efficient.
To help cope with this less efficient system and the weaker heart muscles, the blood goes through the entire body once before going back to the heart. In mammals, blood is sent from the lower body up to the heart, to the upper body back to the heart, etc. Our blood will have gone through our entire body before flowing through the kidneys.

In a reptile, any blood caudal to the heart is on its way to the kidneys and any medicine given in an area caudal (tail) to the heart will be filtered out of the blood before it gets through the body.

insignia100 · 02-14-12, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Will0W783

Wolfus, the renal portal system is not for survival, it's just a more primitive arterial/venous system.
Reptiles have a 3-chambered heart, instead of 4 chambers like we mammals do. Deoxygenated blood (that has gone through the body) flows in from either side (2 ventricles) and is reoxygenated. However, because there is only one atrium (exit chamber) in the heart, the deoxygenated blood from one side gets mixed in with the reoxygenated blood from the other side of the heart....thus their system is much less efficient.
To help cope with this less efficient system and the weaker heart muscles, the blood goes through the entire body once before going back to the heart. In mammals, blood is sent from the lower body up to the heart, to the upper body back to the heart, etc. Our blood will have gone through our entire body before flowing through the kidneys.

In a reptile, any blood caudal to the heart is on its way to the kidneys and any medicine given in an area caudal (tail) to the heart will be filtered out of the blood before it gets through the body.

You've got that reversed. The snake heart has 2 atria and a ventricle (like with architecture, the atrium is an "entrance hall"). The blood from the body flows from the body into the right atrium, or from the lungs into the left atrium. The atria pump the blood into the single ventricle and out to either the body or the lungs.

I'm really confused as to what you are trying to say regarding the difference in renal blood flow between snakes and mammals. In snakes, all the blood from the tail passes through the kidneys before returning to the heart. The kidney, like the liver (hepatic portal system) should have 3 main vessels associated with it: renal vein, renal artery, and renal portal vein. Blood from the head does not pass through the kidneys, and blood from the tail doesn't necessarily have to pass through the kidneys.

RandyRhoads · 02-14-12, 03:40 PM

In animals the blood exits through the atrium instead of the ventricles....?

Wolfus_305 · 02-14-12, 03:43 PM

Wow, that's really fascinating, I never knew any of that thanks for explaining it

RandyRhoads · 02-14-12, 05:51 PM

Thanks for clearing that up. I was so confused about blood entering ventricles and leaving through atria.

insignia100 · 02-14-12, 05:55 PM

Honestly, I couldn't keep it straight until they drilled it into us in anatomy lab.

beardeds4life · 02-14-12, 06:09 PM

i two thought that it was bad that they were giving meds in the back but decided not to say anything because i have 0 snake experience