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So just read an article of an interview of Dr.Bryan Grieg Fry about venomous snake studys. He talked about colubrids being venomus he said all but specifically mentioned a few. Egyptian cat snakes telepscopus having venom as toxic as king cobra also mentioned Keeled ratsnake (ptyas carinatus), Radiated rat (coelognathus radiatus) and various species of garter (thamnophis) containing 3ftx three finger toxins nerotoxin. So what are your thoughts
Hm kewl I had heard a little on it but it was always from unreliable sources so I found it kinda interesting when I read the interview and have ben looking into it more
I highly doubt corns are venomous, as that would be a large redundancy...why constrict AND envenomate? Obviously, I could be completely wrong, but I'm fairly certain that corns and other constricting colubrids are non-venomous.
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Wait, so corn snakes are venomous? Like hognose or vine snakes?
As I am not familiar with them... but if they are a colubrid then yes. They would "kill/subdue" prey via venom unlike constrictors (pythons and boas) therefore venomous. In saying that their venom is not toxic to us (there are colubrids that are) so therefore "harmless". There are species of Australian elapidae whos venom is not toxic to humans but they are elapids (venomous) none the less.
I highly doubt corns are venomous, as that would be a large redundancy...why constrict AND envenomate? Obviously, I could be completely wrong, but I'm fairly certain that corns and other constricting colubrids are non-venomous.
Being rear fanged colubridaes have to hold on to prey in order to deliver the toxin, contriction is a form of restraint in the process but not the main method of killing the prey.
Without saying so too belligerently or bluntly, I think you're wrong on that one, bud. I was unable to dig up anything on venomous corn snakes, and a quick youtube search turned up these videos. First, Garters and Hoggies. Note the lack of constriction, or even waiting for death, instead, they simply gobble 'em right up
Now, a corn. Two quick, tight coils, that don't get released until the mouse is well and truly dead. Note also the lack of chewing, which is the primary method of envenomation for rear-fanged snakes. To be fair, this video doesn't show the lack of chewing very well, but others out there doubtlessly do.
Again, no disrespect meant.
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From what I read they all had an amount of venom potency varied but even garters had reported envenomations with nerotoxic effect of 3ftx lol lil guy would have to chew on you for quite a bit id think kinda crazy.
So just read another report on rat snakes and they had venom found homologous to and as potent as a comparetive cobra toxin having the same gland corn snake=red rat snake
Corns are not venomous, garters are POISONOUS (one of only three snakes in the world that are) but not venomous.
Can you post a link to the study? Am sure a lot of us would be "interested" in having a laugh.
By the way its April 1st!
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CURSE YOU, TIME ZONES!! lol it was still firmly the 31st where I live...Also, I found this guy and his studies. Basically, what he's saying is that all colubrids retain the physiology of a venomous animal. He makes the same statement about crocodiles, sharks, and various mammals.
From what I've been able to gather, making the leap to calling a Corn Snake venomous would be quite akin to saying that a ball python actually has legs due to their spurs, or saying that Humans are technically tailed mammals because we have a coccyx.
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I may not be correct in this but I believe that the study holds true that most snakes are indeed venomous. The problem is they lack any real way of delivering that venom. I believe most of these snakes don't even have proper rear-fangs so essentially they have no way of using their venom. I could be wrong but something in the back of my mind tells me this came from somewhere before.
Exactly! Boids are also bipedal, as they have hip girdles and rudimentary psuedo-legs, but they lack any real way of utilizing their pelvic structure for locomotion. That's essentially the kind of thing this guy is saying, and you put it pretty well, Aaron.
They have the physiology, they just can't bring it to bear.
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