U.S. and Iraq

Them and Us · 01-01-03, 10:18 AM

For anyone who has been paying attention to world news and this situation between Iraq and the United States. what are your different takes on the whole situation? I for one am opposed and can't figure out why Bush considers Iraq such a huge threat and recently denies North Korea as being a threat, especially when Iraq let the UN in for inspections and North Korea kicked them out and said basically "who cares we are going to make nuclear weapons anyway." Either way it is not our business to police the world. But the president seems to believe it is so. i could say so much more but I'll leave room for others ha.

Geck-co · 01-01-03, 11:03 AM

I have not been following this situation but I do have some opinions on whats going on with this phreak you call bush. Bush wants to start a war... and that is what he is/has been aiming for this for awhile. Reasons why i think this. I have two main reasons. Bush is up for re election next year is it i belive? if so... a country in war is less likly to vote him out of office while the country is at war. I think that this has only happened once in history i belive it was England during the time of Winston Churchill. Another reason could be that a war would help hide the recession that the states is heading into. Just my 2 cents...

Shane Tesser · 01-01-03, 01:09 PM

It probably boils down to the natural resources available. Iraq=oil, and i believe if they can basically control them, they can control their oil. Korea...im not really sure what they have i dont know much about them to be perfectly honest....but im doubting that they have anything as precious to the United States as oil.
So, get the troops all rallied up by screaming about defence and neuclear capabilities and in the mean time plan your real attack on deepening your pockets with more oil money. Just my opinion.

Shane Tesser · 01-01-03, 01:11 PM

Oh, i should add...im totally against war...let the stupid politicians who start the crap in the first place duke it out...leave the innocent and uneducated alone to live their lives, propaganda as with every war rules here...be free thinking. PEACE!

eyespy · 01-01-03, 01:21 PM

Seems to me his Daddy got real popular when fighting Iraq so he's carrying on family tradition. Just my opinion, though. Prolly not even worth 2 cents.

sSNAKESs.com · 01-01-03, 01:28 PM

I think Bush is handling the situation very well.. What you see and hear from him on TV and what is actually going on are 2 differant things. I am all for the american way... "We do it our way.. if you dont like it.. to bad.."

hip · 01-01-03, 01:35 PM

Well this is now a big open can of worms.Sadly it is a true state of affairs that is going to happen wether we wan't it to or not.I have been following this closely for a long time now and I have also been doing research on the situation.There are a few reasons why Bush is after Iraq but one you probably are un aware of.Saddam is the rebirth of Adolf Hitler pure evil(my opinion) he has gassed and murdered his own people! has women raped in public and continues to torture people seeking only to be free!Saddam is a student of Stalin and if you check history he has been a mirror of Josef Stalin in method and in brutality.

The biggest reason for this war (and yes it is coming very soon the middle of Feb I figure) is oil. Before you all riot and call for a firing squad hear me out.The war on terror is yet to be finished and will not be finished for some time here is the method to my reasoning.1 the biggest supplier of oil to the U.S right now is the Saudi's 2 Iraq has the second biggest reserve of oil in the world.3 the Saudi's have been for a long time supporters of terror funding and have been professional about hiding it .4 The U.S cannot afford to deal with the Saudi's untill a steady supply of oil is available(a U.S liberated Iraq) 5 Russia is 4-5 years away from being able to supply enough extra oil to off set a Saudi loss.

We my friends are on the cusp of a change in the evolution of all cultures on this world.It will be hard and it will be long and many will never come home, and many of us will ask why? and we will never get the anwser we want.Such is the way of things such is the way of humanity.

"It is said that the future is always born in pain.The history of war is the history of pain.If we are wise what is born of that pain,matures into the promise of a better world.Because we learn that we can no longer afford the mistakes of the past" (J M S)

I am a ranger!

"We walk the dark places were no one dare venture"
"We stand on the bridge and no one may pass" (m c )

Peace to all in the hour of the wolf

Hip

nouserpif · 01-01-03, 01:39 PM

I am pretty much neutral towards the whole thing, but I think bush's attitude is funny...
It seems to me that hes thinking:
"If we find weapons, they are going to use them, SO LTS BOMB THEM! But if we don't find weapons, they are just hiding them.... LET'S BOMB THEM!"
So, overall I think that there shouldn't be a war, but bush REALLY wants one... You see, Canada stays pretty neutral in most wars it seems, like when there was all the fighting in afghanistan, we sent over a whole bunch of battleships and similar boats, to a place that isn't bloodywell touching the ocean! Anyway, Canada doesn't seem to do much, so we could bomb half the world before they realized it was us, people would be saying
"Hmmm... I wonder who is bombing us... Lets go to beautiful, nice canada!"
Yeah, jsut my ramblings...
DAn Conner

Amazon Spice · 01-01-03, 01:41 PM

I am in complete agreement with Hip!! Another reason is probably that we still have N. Korea "in check". They are not nearly important, and I do believe it would take a truely evil being to use nuclear, chemical, or biological weapons on the US. It would have to be someone completely unafraid of the consequences. That rules out N. Korea, and puts the focus right on Iraq. Saddam needs to go.

hip · 01-01-03, 02:41 PM

Wow I got to blastin on the Iraq thing and forgot about the North Korea thing.Well there are a few issues with the P D R K (peoples democratic republic of Korea) that we probably don't see as standing out(the news never tells the whole story).We all know of the war from 50 - 53. the armistice not true peace.The P D R K is one of the last communist bastions of the world(well that we all know)So given the information We have at hand I sugest the following.

In the cold war era !945 to 1989 the P D R K relied on the U S S R
and the P R C (Peoples republic of China) for the majority of trade, mutual defence treaties,supply of weapons and traning.Now in the years after the fall of the "iron curtain" substantial changes have been seen.1 Russa has become a free market society (not truly captialist but not comunist either) 2 economic hardship in Russa has led to decline in production but most important a huge decline in funding to the P D R K.3 China though we do not seem to see it is also slowly changing (not leaving comuninistic ideals but softening the hard line ) 4 we can see this with the change of the government of just the last month(new apointments to the places of power and controll) 5 The P D R K is like it or not a third world country who, in the last decade has had may droughts, floods and an on going famine.

The U S knows that the P D R K is trying to black mail for treaty's, trade,and economic aid.To reward them with such after the reicent events is a no go for sure.China wiill I beleive very soon step in and set this strait.The reasoning for this I have is. 1 China is one of the biggest suppliers of finished low cost products to not only Japan but south Korea as well( computers, auto, and consumer goods of marginal value) these products are assembled or re sold out of Japan and South Korea.2 Thusly the P D R K with its nuclear program and missle program presents a huge threat to the finiancal stability of a changing China.

I beleive it will be like a father punishing his son for being bad.China will soon spank The P D R K and make them tow the line once and for all and relations will change in the future as the P D R K changes to meet the times and the global union that is forth coming.

Sorry to bore you all to death just an opinnion from the gallery

Peace

happy new yer

Hip

Geck-co · 01-01-03, 03:27 PM

not sure if i'm still up to date wtih what currently is going on with the issues as i said be4 but last i herd russia and china where not taking sides and if anything where going to be siding with iraq... so... that being said.. and the possibility of war between iraq and the states who is to say that russia/china/iraq/and korea and then whoever else jumps on the bandwagon... I know i'm prolly tlaking out my ying yang on this but who knows.. its a interesting thought i entertain from time to time.. its about time someone comes and knocks the states back into place, and help get thier heads outa thier butts. maby that time has come?

now i'm sure i'm goin to get flamed for my comments... go ahead feel free to flame away. these are just my opinions and just that, i havent claimed to know all in whats going on.. but like talking about what I do know.. or what little i know lol

Quakezombie · 01-01-03, 03:40 PM

Wow now i know why his name is Hip,cause he got a radio strapped to his

For real though, Thanks Hip... As i was wondering why we had'nt "dealt" with N.Korea,but it seems they have their hands full already.
btw: I have a few British ICQ/game buddies that tell me things they hear on bbc news (that they figure i wont hear).

...and now for some comic relief

Amazon Spice · 01-01-03, 04:25 PM

ROTFLMAO!!! The pic is just too much!! I've thought about moving to canada once this thing breaks loose!! LOL!

Jeff_Favelle · 01-01-03, 04:26 PM

Its totally about oil It was with Big Bush, and it is with the Little Bush. Their family OWNS oil companies and they have extreme vested interest in this.

Alicewave · 01-01-03, 04:50 PM

Bush is a freakin idiot. That's my take on it.

Can I just request that whatever your opinion, keep your comments about US citizens to yourselves. Many of the members here are from the US. I personally disagree completely with what Bush is doing. I just ask that we keep that in mind when saying such things as "we need to be knocked on our behinds" or whatever. I completely understand your point of view but Bush is one man doing what he wants in his best interest and no one elses and he does not necessarily represent the views of all US citizens.

(edited for clarity)