Outdoor Photos - Mojo & Masubius - Page 3

infernalis · 06-25-10, 02:13 AM

Thanks! yep just waiting for some of them to get old enough.

Sadly one breeding produced a batch of slugs this year. and it was a triple het female that passed the dead "jellybeans"

percey39 · 06-25-10, 02:29 AM

Sorry to hear, thats the ugly part of breeding most dont like to talk about. I have never really looked into breeding hets or morphs, but im about to start doing more line breeding on specific locale species. I would imagine there would be a lot surprise in breeding triple hets as you dont know exactly which is going to come through, especially when breeding to other types of hets. The possibilities are endless, i would think the blue phase crossed with the red could be stunning.

infernalis · 06-25-10, 06:56 AM

There are only certain strains that are compatible for crossing Percy.

Blue Phase = Thamnophis Sirtalis Pickeringii
Red Phase = Thamnophis Sirtalis Sirtalis

Not compatible & even if they were, Hybridization is frowned upon so the intended buyers would not spend the money.

2 years ago a young lad in Michigan had housed 2 garter snakes together thinking they would not breed.

Male = Thamnophis marcianus marcianus (Checkered Garter snake)
Female = Thamnophis Sirtalis Sirtalis (Common Eastern Garter snake)

One day after these two had cohabited for almost a year, he returned home from school to find 18 babies scurrying about in the enclosure.

So he posted what had happened on Thamnophis.com the largest garter forum on the net, I was shocked by the number of suggestions that he euthanize the whole lot.

I adopted one of those "mutts" as did a bunch of people who were also appalled by the suggestion of murdering a litter of snakes to "maintain genetic purity"

It just seemed rather "Adolph Hitler" to me how many people wanted that brood dead.

C#@$e · 06-25-10, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by infernalis

I adopted one of those "mutts" as did a bunch of people who were also appalled by the suggestion of murdering a litter of snakes to "maintain genetic purity"

It just seemed rather "Adolph Hitler" to me how many people wanted that brood dead.

YEA I AGREE, do you have any pics of them?-

infernalis · 06-25-10, 08:04 AM

Yes I do....

C#@$e · 06-25-10, 08:09 AM

and a bunch of people wanted to kill that little guy?

infernalis · 06-25-10, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by C#@$e

and a bunch of people wanted to kill that little guy?

Yes. I will go get some quotes BRB....

infernalis · 06-25-10, 08:25 AM

Here is a couple quotes.....(getting more)

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Originally Posted by ******

Aaaaahhhh, I knew that!

Well, thats what I was thinking. Maybe the parents are outcrossed hybrids. Something I really, really, really, really don't like!
So I'm hoping that this is a somewhat common variation in pattern and that I won't have to euthanise the whole bunch...

shaunyboy · 06-25-10, 10:20 AM

pretty sick stuff and that was some poor school kid.hate to think what the garter crew would do to an adult that bred these on purpose.ive found some of the purest's to be fanatical about they're hobby.quite scary realy .....!!!

cheers shaun

infernalis · 06-25-10, 10:24 AM

I agree Shaun. I do my best to prevent hybrids, But school age kids are impressionable, so when (ahem) forum moderators say "kill the freaks" what direction do you think that kid is going to take.

shaunyboy · 06-25-10, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by infernalis

I agree Shaun. I do my best to prevent hybrids, But school age kids are impressionable, so when (ahem) forum moderators say "kill the freaks" what direction do you think that kid is going to take.

poor kid probaly dont want to go near a garter forum again.yes the young guy made a mistake but his attitude in general is a good reptile loving one.the fact they bred prooves his husbandary was spot on.a lot of the time young kids are the opposite and go about killing animals they dont really relate to.just hope the crazy mod hasnt turned the young guy into one of them.must admit if someone said that to one of my kids id would be very very angry with that person.
cheers shaun

marvelfreak · 06-25-10, 01:30 PM

I made the mistake of talking about live feeding on a aussie forum.

Not knowing it's illegal down there.

Man did they tear into me.

emseeKAY · 06-25-10, 05:44 PM

my girlfriend said that in england they are much more into animal welfare, they basically have more rights then people lol, im guessing that where the live feeding being illegal concept comes in, but i mean, i dont think thats something to rip you apart about...do you feed all of your animals live?

marvelfreak · 06-25-10, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by emseeKAY

my girlfriend said that in england they are much more into animal welfare, they basically have more rights then people lol, im guessing that where the live feeding being illegal concept comes in, but i mean, i dont think thats something to rip you apart about...do you feed all of your animals live?

Actaully my Bredli carpet and Diamond x Jungle both ate F/T for the first time two weeks ago. Now they all will eat f/t. So now i'll be saving some money on food. F/t cheaper than live at the pet store i get their rats at. I feed once every 14 days. So i skipped a week on both so they went 21 days they were hungery enough that as soon as i threw the f/t rats in they were on them. Plus now i can order them on line and really save. Oh yeah!banana.gif banana.gif

emseeKAY · 06-25-10, 07:06 PM

hahaha congrats! ive always gone with f/t but ive never had to switch, my bp was on mice i think at one point but surprisingly enough it was easy to switch him, hes a huge pig lol