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ChristinaM · 03-23-04, 12:27 AM

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Originally posted by drewlowe

Do you know how big a full grown beardie even is??? What have you learned so far for their care??? I don't see how one week of research is going to make you prepaired.

Well, do you?

If you don't want our help, then don't post period.
This is a msg board, a forum.
People post.
People read.
People respond.
Deal with it.

Oliverian · 03-23-04, 12:31 AM

.... Hmmm. Little bit testy today. It's fine, you don't have to stay here if you don't want. Personally, I feel it's your loss.
Peace out if you're gone.

... Now, just an afterthought... Are you supposed to keep beardies on sand? I honestly have no idea, I havn't ever kept or researched them.

-TammyR

Oliverian · 03-23-04, 12:35 AM

.. Ok. That's what happens when you hit submit too many times!

-TammyR

ChristinaM · 03-23-04, 12:37 AM

the picture you posted, is that what you are going to put 2 little beardies in?

sand substrate is it?
Where is the UV?
Digital probe thermometer?

here's some caresheets:

http://www.australianbeardies.com/care.htm

( note: bearded dragons are semi-arboreal)

http://www.anapsid.org/bearded.html

Oliverian · 03-23-04, 12:38 AM

Aaahh! Melissa Kaplan! Quick, hand me a tomato!

-TammyR

Bighead · 03-23-04, 12:39 AM

I know I said I wouldn't respond anymore, but this time it's a good thing. Even though your tank only looks like it's about 48 1/4 x 12 3/4 x 21, and you said it's a 55 gallon and I'm sure they sold it to you as one, it turns out that they gave you a 90 gallon tank (89.77 to be exact). At least, that's according to the dimensions you gave. How lucky for your beardies.

By the way, just so it's all cleared up, how did you explain the whole you and i_have_a_cham_04 having the same IP address/same computer thing?

ChristinaM · 03-23-04, 12:40 AM

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Originally posted by Oliverian

... Now, just an afterthought... Are you supposed to keep beardies on sand? I honestly have no idea, I havn't ever kept or researched them.

-TammyR

For Tammy's info: Substrate is a very debatable issue with BD's, but everyone will agree that young dragons should NEVER be kept on sand.

Adults can be, but definately not young ones. They are easily impacted with sand.

ChristinaM · 03-23-04, 12:41 AM

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Originally posted by Oliverian
Aaahh! Melissa Kaplan! Quick, hand me a tomato!

-TammyR

ROTFLMAO

K1LOS · 03-23-04, 12:47 AM

Well, leave if you will, but i think that you will find that these forums can be very helpful. The reason you aren't recieving a warm welcome, might have something to do with your lack of co-operation.

We are all telling you what we feel is best, which might not necessarily be the only way. And yes, there is a lot of debate over the proper husbandry of all reptiles because a lot of people think their way is the best. What works for one may not work for all. You come on and say things that are just wrong, and everybody agrees they are wrong. When they are pointed out to you by numerous ppl, you still don't accept that they are incorrect, and are unwilling to change.

You didn't research your chameleon before you got it. That's huge! People aren't going to respect you if you aren't looking for the well being of your animal. You may think you are, but if you were, you would have had your cage built and all your questions answered before you got it.

Now you are talking about getting dragons, and only like a week or two later. Do you have any idea how fragile a young chameleon is? You need to be putting a lot of effort into maintaining that animal and making sure he is established before you get another animal. And frankly, i expect you will do the same thing again, get the animal, and figure out how to care for it later.

Take my advice, read lots of caresheets. When you are done reading them all, find out what was similar and how they differ. The things that are the same in most of them, probably work for most people. The things that were different, ask here about them. Keep in mind, anybody can write a caresheet, and a lot of books are out dated. So take everything with a grain of salt. The best source of information is talking to several people already keeping the species. Do all this BEFORE you get your dragons and you will get much better replies to your questions. Good luck to you and your animals

Geoff

Bighead · 03-23-04, 12:47 AM

Chris- I personally don't keep mine on sand, but to be fair, not EVERYONE agrees that it's unsafe. Even the authors of the new Bearded Dragon Manual still use hot rocks and sand substrate for babies.

Oliverian · 03-23-04, 12:51 AM

Amen to that, Geoff. I think you pretty much just covered it all.

-TammyR

ChristinaM · 03-23-04, 12:56 AM

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Originally posted by Bighead
Chris- I personally don't keep mine on sand, but to be fair, not EVERYONE agrees that it's unsafe. Even the authors of the new Bearded Dragon Manual still use hot rocks and sand substrate for babies.

OUCH

I haven't read that one. Don't think I'm gonna bother either.

True, there will be the odd one that will say sand is fine for any age, etc etc. But, the majority will agree that babies shouldn't have sand.......

I used to keep my dragons on sand, but recently switched over to bran. Mind you, my dragons are all over 1yr, some 2yrs. But when I did have a baby, she was on newspaper/papertowels/corkboard.......

Cheers

drewlowe · 03-23-04, 11:30 AM

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and if im going to give advice to someone thats my business not yours if anything ill back up what i say with a caresheet, can you do the same

If you want i can quote caresheets all day long, but i can go off experince and so can other members which is more than just reciting something written down tht you have no proof if it's true or not.

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you guys are no help

how are we no help, we're answering the questions and more. If you don't like the answers then fine, but we are giving OUR opions which is the reason we are here on this forum.

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your all only wanting to argue and say what im doing is wrong.

No, that's not why we're here, we're here to talk and share information on the speices we keep or desire.

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you dont help anything you contradict what any caresheet says just so you can argue you only go with what eachother says because maybe the person might be right...

As someone already stated any Yahoo can make a caresheet, doesn't mean it's right. If you would acctually look at past threads i'm positive you'll see us disagreeing on some aspect of care. I don't "copy" what other people say just because "it sounds good" i do it cause it's the same opinion i have after keeping the species. When we ask questions (or at least myself) i'm not asking to "put you down" i'm asking for the well being of the animals. So i'll say it again it's nothing personal it's about the animals.

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Now, just an afterthought... Are you supposed to keep beardies on sand? I honestly have no idea, I havn't ever kept or researched them.

As Bichiraddict said you'll never find a breeder that will agree on substrates. I personaly am anti sand, Yes i used to use it but never again. I think that's the tread that has some good info. http://ssnakess.com/forums/showthrea...threadid=34371

SaIiLdVaEnR · 03-25-04, 10:54 AM

Stop trying to pull this "I am not Cham04" garbage, we know you are, we have the ISP addresses to prove it and have already done so in the chameleon forums.

No one is asking you to stay, and frankly, with your disregard for our experience and knowledge no one would be sorry if you left.

You fight everything knowledgable keepers say, and you are the one asking the questions! You should be thankful people are offering help, yet, you, in turn are ungrateful. My tip would be to accept our combined knowledge as more reliable than a basic care sheet and appreciate our help or remove yourself.

Aidan

scalawag · 03-25-04, 09:15 PM

What are those tiny, tiny little twigs for?