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11-26-03, 10:55 PM
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Ok, whats going on????
My veiled(Probably 8 or 9 inches from head to tail) is walking around shooting his tongue around at NOTHING. Its like he's eating but theres nothing to be had. He has been doing this for a few days not that I have noticed before but I have already fed and watered him. What is he doing this for? Im baffled.
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11-26-03, 10:58 PM
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No expert but i would guess as long as hes eating fine and drinking fine its no biggy...hope its noting serious! good luck eh
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11-26-03, 11:09 PM
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??? not sure. Wait till trace reads the thread. She might know.
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11-26-03, 11:16 PM
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Chameleons sometimes exhibit that kind of behaviour when they have parasitic worms in the ocular cavity behind their eyeballs. You can sometimes see this as little squiggly lines under their eyelids that move and wiggle. Sometimes they will exhibit inflamed eyes, or bulging eyes, but not always. I hope that you have the ability and the resources to get to a Veterinarian, because otherwise you may end up with a dead chameleon. I hope that I didn't offend you in any way. 
Take care, Johnny.
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11-26-03, 11:23 PM
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How would this sort of thing happen??
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11-26-03, 11:26 PM
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Yes that is weird I personally have had no problems with parasites b4. but that does sound very weird. He could hurt his toung, or worse. how old is your veild where did u get him... what is he eating. THat is very bezzar behavior id get some tests done for sure...
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11-26-03, 11:32 PM
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Did you buy your chameleon from a breeder or a pet store? I'm not making accusations, I'm just asking. Sometimes wild caught animals come into contact with cb babies when they are held at wholesalers, dealers, or importers. They then get infected and sent off to the pet store that orders them from the dealer. After that, the purchaser ends up with a sort of ticking time bomb... at least as far as chameleon health issues are concerned.
There is one other thing that could have happened to your chameleon... incorrect UVB sources. Some dealers/stores use pure black lights...BLB type bulbs, to try to produce a CHEAP UVB source. The problem occurs when the extremely high UVB/UVC levels damage the cornea and retina in the eyes of the animal kept beneath them. This can result in shadow blindness, which is similar to having cataracts. I hope that this helps you.
Take care, Johnny.
Take care, Johnny.
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11-26-03, 11:36 PM
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OK before we all panic about ocular parasites, let's all take a deep breath and review our husbandry. Johnny is right, they do occur, but I find it hard to beleive in CBB Veiled Chameleons these days.
Are you sure he's not hungry? They eat like pigs at the size you describe. What kind light are you using? Are there mirrors or shiny areas in or near his cage that will reflect things that he will mistake as food? What kind of enclosure is he in?
If you are concerned though, there is nothing wrong with a trip to the vet for a check up.
Cheers!
Trace
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11-26-03, 11:38 PM
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I would say that he is about 4 or 5 months maybe 6. I got him from a petland, which aquired them from a local breeder. I have him in a custom built cage made out of 2x4s, plywood and normal screen door screen. I have the plastic vines inside and the fake plastic aquarium plant inside and I just lay the bottom with newspaper. He only does this to the newspaper(tongue thingy). He probably eats about 8/4 week old crickets per day. Oh he is under a repti-glo 8.0 uvb florescent bulb and I use a zoomed nocturnal infrared heat lamp for a heat source.
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11-26-03, 11:43 PM
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Hey Trace, I'm not being sarcastic, but if you read the thread you will see that nobody said that these Veiled were CB!!! That's why I asked where they came from and what their known history was. Just some food for thought... don't just assume that you know all the details!!! Ask first, and then give your opinion. He already said that he just fed and watered it, so why would you think that the chameleon would be hungry enough to do that now?!?!?
Take care, Johnny.
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11-26-03, 11:46 PM
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Of course, you know what I would do... I'd take the newspaper out and see if he still does it. Plain and simple.
How big is a 4 week old cricket? Sorry I have no idea... I buy them by size. A Veiled Chameleon, or any chameleon for that matter can eat an insect the width of his/her head without the risk of choking. They chew their food before swallowing so larger prey is not a problem. Feed him big food and see what he does.
And Johnny... I don't assume anything. That's why I asked some basic husbandry questions and went from there.
Cheers!
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11-26-03, 11:52 PM
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Ok, then there would just be a plywood bottom. Would this be ok. Should I maybe get some spagnum moss to put on the bottom. And there is a mirror close by but it is facing up, not towards the bottom of the cage. I will remove the paper. What do you put in the bottom of your cage Trace?
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11-26-03, 11:56 PM
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What do you put in the bottom of your cage Trace?
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Nothing. All of my cages are bare at the bottom. I don't use spagnum, papertowels, anything that can be accidently ingested.
Cheers!
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11-27-03, 12:04 AM
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Hey Trace, again... no sarcasm intended but; How do you effectively clean a bare plywood cage bottom?!?!? Also, how could paper towels or newspaper be accidentally ingested? I kept and bred Panther and Giant Spiny Chameleons for 6 years, not to mention all of my friends that kept and bred them, and I NEVER encountered or heard of an adult or a hatchling eating newspaper or paper towel!!! I always used newspaper for the adults, and paper towel for the hatchlings and it worked PERFECT for me!!! Just some more food for thought, I guess.
Take care, Johnny.
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11-27-03, 12:04 AM
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Yea i would take the news paper out too. See what happens I have 2 cages with bare plywood bottoms they are fine although it might be a good idea to seal it. Well i hope everything works out. keep us updated.
just a thought on newspaper i know alot of people use it but dont u think that the inks in it would cause problems?
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