Albino??

BryanB · 09-21-12, 07:41 PM

albino [ælˈbiːnəʊ]
n pl -nos
1. (Medicine / Pathology) a person with congenital absence of pigmentation in the skin, eyes, and hair
2. (Life Sciences & Allied Applications / Biology) any animal or plant that is deficient in pigment

Ok it has always bean my understanding that albino was total lack of skin hair and eye pigment. Is it the deficient word that makes all the difference?

so please explain to me how this with a definite red-yellow pigment can be albino I would think all albino snakes would be like this

and how can albino be combined with anything and still have albino in the name like het- albino

infernalis · 09-21-12, 07:49 PM

Albino refers to lack of melanin, the pigment responsible for black.

Albinos can have every other colour but black.

Snow is the term we use for a pure white animal.

this garter snake is an albino..

this garter snake is a snow..

bigsnakegirl785 · 09-21-12, 07:52 PM

Het means heterogeneous which pretty much means they carry that gene.

Ivanator · 09-21-12, 08:00 PM

Albino is the lack of all black pigment (melanin) so all the black on an animal is taken away making the black turn white and brown turns yellow or yellowish and all other colors turn more vibrant making them a neon color pretty much.

Het-albino means that it has the albino gene in it, but it is not visible. If you breed it to another albino, half of the clutch should be albino and the other half normal het-albino. If you breed it to another het-albino, 1/4 of the clutch should be albino and the rest normal looking with the possibility of having the albino gene in them.

Since the albino gene is recessive, you need the albino gene from both parents. For example, A=albino and a=normal, the obvious albino in the top picture has the gene configuration AA making it a visible albino, but the one on the bottom is Aa meaning that the albino gene is there, but it is not visible.

Someone else could probably explain it better, but I hope that helps.

moshirimon · 09-21-12, 08:17 PM

What would be the difference between snow and leucistic

Ivanator · 09-21-12, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by moshirimon

What would be the difference between snow and leucistic

Snow is a double genetic mutation of albino and anerytheristic (lack of red pigments) so they come out completely white with a very light pattern and red eyes. The pattern is extremely light, but you can still see it. Leucistics are completely patternless and solid white with black eyes. There are also the red eyed leucistics which look the exact same except that their eyes are red because they have the albino gene in them.

This topic just raised up a question that I'm curious about. I know that albino people's eyes are extremely sensitive to light and tend to have to wear sunglasses outside, but are our albino reptiles sensitive to light as well? It doesn't seem like it affects them, but I have always wondered.

**Pareeeee** · 09-21-12, 08:25 PM

I know leucistic is completely white (but no red eyes!), and melanistic is black.

" Leucism /ˈljuːsɪzəm/[1] is a condition characterized by reduced pigmentation in animals. Unlike albinism, it is caused by a reduction in all types of skin pigment, not just melanin."

Leucistic animals sometimes just have patches of pure white amongst their normal markings, causing a 'pied' look, such as in these birds:

PS: my auto-correct wanted leucistic to say 'paediatric' and melanistic to say 'prismatic'. Ha!

Wildside · 09-21-12, 08:28 PM

Cool Thread!

infernalis · 09-21-12, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Ivanator

Snow is a double genetic mutation of albino and anerytheristic (lack of red pigments) so they come out completely white with a very light pattern and red eyes. The pattern is extremely light, but you can still see it.

Like Jadis....

**millertime89** · 09-21-12, 11:33 PM

Supposedly you can get a red eyed leucistic by having an albino leucistic but I'm not aware of it having been done, I know Jay at Prehistoric Pets has red eyed ivory retics which will hopefully some day make red eyed leucistic retics. There are also blue eyed leucistic snakes. I've got more to contribute about snows and the very similar blizzard mutation but posting from my phone sucks.

Ivanator · 09-21-12, 11:48 PM

There's red eye and blue eye leucistic ball pythons. I never knew jay had red eye ivories and they've shown me pretty much everything. I know they're not working with leucistics anymore cuz the line they have, the one pretty much everyone has in the us causes problems internally, I forgot what, but they all kept dying. Now they have a make lucy that's completely unrelated, it just popped up randomly from a clutch of albinos, and they're waiting for that one to get to breeding size. Tim, who's Jay's main retic guy, told me the lines in Japan are perfectly healthy, but they're having trouble trying to get one from over there

**millertime89** · 09-21-12, 11:54 PM

Interesting you mention people having problems with the black eyed leucistics in the states, someone I know had theirs die not too long ago. I thought Jay had one big leucy girl? I remember seeing video of it. Yeah he did get REI retics, I saw them on his blog and he said they were all doing well when I asked him about them a month or two back on FB.

**millertime89** · 09-21-12, 11:55 PM

I really want to know what's up with that random leucy that popped up, I was watching some of Jay's old youtube vids and saw that episode, so strange.

Ivanator · 09-22-12, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by millertime89

Interesting you mention people having problems with the black eyed leucistics in the states, someone I know had theirs die not too long ago. I thought Jay had one big leucy girl? I remember seeing video of it. Yeah he did get REI retics, I saw them on his blog and he said they were all doing well when I asked him about them a month or two back on FB.

I totally forgot about big Lucy. I hope nothing happened to her. I didn't see her there a couple weeks ago when I got my lav tiger. All I know is, I think, last year, maybe earlier this year, they lost a few of their big breeders cuz it turns out retics can catch chicken pox and they gave a tour to a guy and his son and his son had chicken pox and the following week, a lot of their breeders started developing red sores just like them. I hope she wasn't one of the ones they lost. I really wanna see these red eye lucys now. Do they look exactly like the black eyed? Or do they have black eyes with the red pupil? Like some if those balls?

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Originally Posted by millertime89

I really want to know what's up with that random leucy that popped up, I was watching some of Jay's old youtube vids and saw that episode, so strange.

I guess it was just luck of the draw. Hopefully something like that happens to me when my girl is big enough to breed.

exwizard · 09-22-12, 04:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Ivanator

...Het-albino means that it has the albino gene in it, but it is not visible. If you breed it to another albino, half of the clutch should be albino and the other half normal het-albino. If you breed it to another het-albino, 1/4 of the clutch should be albino and the rest normal looking with the possibility of having the albino gene in them....

Can someone explain to me how an Amelanistic female paired with a Bloodred Motley produced a clutch, half of which were Aneries? It's obvious both Corns carry the Anery gene but shouldn't I have gotten only a quarter of them Aneries?