Pro-Hybrid Discussion Thread

StudentoReptile · 07-12-12, 12:34 PM

This is a thread for anyone who wants to discuss types of hybrids/intergrades, whether any crossing is possible, which hybrids look cool or ugly, etc.

This is NOT a debate thread to discuss the ethics or morals of whether or not the practice is right or wrong.

Feel free to post pictures of any crossings you think are interesting. Also feel free to post any new hybrids that have been created.
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I'll start things off by posting the list of known python crossings.

Hybrids of Ball Python

Carpall = Ball Python X Jungle Carpet Python
Car-Bomb = Ball Python X Coastal Carpet Python (Jag-Sib)
Ball X Blood = Superball
BurmBall = Burmese X Ball
Borneo Short Tailed python x Ball
(Borneo Short Tailed Python x Ball) X Ball
Angolan X Ball
Wall = Woma X Ball Python

Hybrids of Burmese

Borneo Bateaters = Burmese Python X Reticulated Python
Burmese Rock = Burmese X Rock
Burm x African Rock
Burm X Ball = Burmball
Burm x Retic = Bateater
Burm x (Retic x Burm)
Burm x Tiger Retic
Retic x (Retic X Burm) = Jungle Retic

Hybrids of Carpet Pythons

Carpondro = Carpet Python X Green Tree Python
Jungle Carpet X Retic
Diamond x Jungle Carpet = DxJ
Diamond x Coastal Carpet = DxC
Diamond X Bredls
Diamond X (Bredls X Coastal) [Jaguar]
Diamond x Inland (metcalfei)
Bredls x Inland (metcalfei)
Bredls x Jungle Carpet
Bredls X Coastal [Jaguar]
Bredls X (Bredls X Coastal) [Jaguar]
West Papuan X (Bredls X Coastal ) [Jaguar]
Coastal x Inland (metcalfei)
Jungle x Water Python (Liasis fuscus)
Jungle x Coastal Carpet = JxC
Coastal x Macklots
Jungle X (Coastal X Macklots) = Junglot
Jungle x Tanimbar(nauta)
Woma x WP Carpet = Coma
Macklots x Carpet = Carplot
Macklots X Jungle = Junglot
(Macklots X Jungle) X Jungle
(Macklots X Carpet) X (IJ x Coastal Jaguar Carpet) = Jaglot by NERD
Diamond X (Macklots X Jungle)= Dicarplot by NERD
IJ Carpet (WP) X Ball = Carpall AKA Ballpet,Barpet
Carpet (various ssp.) x Green Tree = Carpondro
includes: Coastal X GTP
Diamond X Coastal X GTP
Carpet Python X Scrub Python
(IJ Carpet X Sorong GTP) X Coastal Jaguar Carpet= Jagpondro by Yasser Moustafa 2008

Others

Kinghorni x Coastal
Kinghorni x Jungle
Kinghorni x fuscus by Royal Melbourne Zoo 1978
Moluccan x Barneck
Moluccan x Coastal
Southern x Barneck
Barneck x (Diamond X Coastal) by John Huntress 2008

West Papuan X GTP by Chriss Rouille 2005

Borneo STP X Red Blood
Borneo STP x Black Blood
Black Blood x Red Blood

Ref: List of known Python Hybrids

infernalis · 07-12-12, 12:38 PM

As already asked, if you are anti hybrid, please just move on to another thread.

Thanks.

StudentoReptile · 07-12-12, 12:39 PM

Here's another interesting one that I'm following the progress of.

"Lepracuttas" = male Leopard tortoise x female sulcata tortoise

Ref: HYBRIDS FOR A HIPPIE I GOT MY EYE ON YOU - Tortoise Forum - Tortoise Husbandry Community

moshirimon · 07-12-12, 02:17 PM

very interesting. didn't know there were that many different hybrids. Alot of people will say "what's the point of a hybrid" and in my opinion there is no point. Just pure fascination and curiosity. I don't think hybrids are any worse than morphs.

Anyway, have you seen these super cool crested gecko(Rhacodactylus ciliatus) X Rhacodactylus chahoua
http://lancehybrids.webs.com/tee%20gecko%20back.JPG

Also i have always wanted one of these corn X king snakes. I believe they're called jungle corns, anybody know how much they go for?
http://cccorns.com/forum/attachment....0&d=1285267439

MoreliAddict · 07-12-12, 02:28 PM

I would love to breed Spot to a Green Tree one day to make a Carpondro. Spot's greens and granite pattern would just look awesome on one...

Oh, and Carpondros are my favorite hybrid as well:

exwizard · 07-12-12, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by MoreliAddict

I would love to breed Spot to a Green Tree one day to make a Carpondro. Spot's greens and granite pattern would just look awesome on one...

Oh, and Carpondros are my favorite hybrid as well:

Ditto on almost all of it. If you can produce a clutch, I want on that list.

Rogue628 · 07-12-12, 02:36 PM

Putting aside moral and ethics, I find hybrids fascinating but I know very little about hybrid breeding. Would it be ok to ask if there has been any known defects in certain hybrids? Are some crosses defectively bad? What conditions need to be met for hybrids?

Jay · 07-12-12, 02:57 PM

Carpondro's are awesome!

Add a poll option!

StudentoReptile · 07-12-12, 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jay

Carpondro's are awesome!

Add a poll option!

What, for every hybrid there is? Good heavens, you'd be scrolling down for over a full minute just see all the ones for snakes alone!

StudentoReptile · 07-12-12, 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rogue628

Putting aside moral and ethics, I find hybrids fascinating but I know very little about hybrid breeding. Would it be ok to ask if there has been any known defects in certain hybrids? Are some crosses defectively bad? What conditions need to be met for hybrids?

Sure.

To be honest, [not like I'm any authority on the matter or anything] I personally am not aware of any health defects or issues from any known hybrids. I would certainly be interested to know if there are, though.

DeesBalls · 07-12-12, 03:08 PM

they are cool, i always liked the blood x ball. i would own one, dont see anything wrong with them... heck look at dogs now, its "uncool" to breed pure breeds any more.

alessia55 · 07-12-12, 03:10 PM

Some of the colubrid hybrids I find aesthetically pleasing:

IMPERIAL PUEBLAN (BANANA CALIFORNIA KINGSNAKE X PUEBLAN MILKSNAKE)

THAYERI KINGSNAKE X NELSONS MILKSNAKE

THAYERI KINGSNAKE X PUEBLAN MILKSNAKE X CORSNAKE X BANANA CALIFORNIA KINGSNAKE

StudentoReptile · 07-12-12, 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by moshirimon

very interesting. didn't know there were that many different hybrids. Alot of people will say "what's the point of a hybrid" and in my opinion there is no point. Just pure fascination and curiosity. I don't think hybrids are any worse than morphs.

Indeed.

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Also i have always wanted one of these corn X king snakes. I believe they're called jungle corns, anybody know how much they go for?
http://cccorns.com/forum/attachment....0&d=1285267439

Jungle corns (corn snake x CA kingsnake) have been around for quite a while. Last I checked, they're not much more than the average morph of either parent species: $30-60ish.
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I tell you I once had the idea for one hybrid. I wanted to cross an eastern chain kingsnake with a tangerine honduran milksnake. The objective was to have a snake that mostly resembled the chain king, but instead of white/cream color for the chain-link pattern, it would be orange/red. I figured those two species would be a good place to start. Then I found out it had basically already done, although it was really just a pure morph of the honduran (I can't recall the name).

MDT · 07-12-12, 03:38 PM

One of the prettiest I've seen is the Coelens python....a cross btwn an IJ carpet and Boelens python. This photo is from Tom Keogan's ad on Kingsnakes.com
I've got to give photo credit. I will own a couple of these one day.

StudentoReptile · 07-12-12, 03:48 PM

The Coelens are cool (not a fan of the name though!). He's got them on sale right now to help fund Sean Bradley's medical bills. If I had $1200 lying around...