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01-17-11, 08:40 PM
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Very rare piebald caught in the wild
The bidding went nuts, price went way over my head, Someday maybe if the genes are carried on, I'd like a pair.
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01-17-11, 09:00 PM
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Re: Very rare piebald caught in the wild
That is beautiful! Where did they find it?
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01-17-11, 09:43 PM
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Re: Very rare piebald caught in the wild
Near Chicago. Hope to see offspring someday.
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01-17-11, 11:34 PM
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Re: Very rare piebald caught in the wild
That will be nice. I'm assuming they'll have to breed the offspring back to the visual unless they can find another one?
What was the final price on that pretty snake?
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01-17-11, 11:41 PM
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Re: Very rare piebald caught in the wild
wow! this is amazing... maybe, just maybe it just escaped from a breeder? hehe
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01-17-11, 11:56 PM
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Re: Very rare piebald caught in the wild
it was bought for $2200
Found by an 11 year old boy!
Not escaped from a breeder, I know almost all of the garter breeders (the real ones anyways) and they were the ones bidding the price up.
Scott Felzer (The nations biggest garter breeder) walked away from this, the whole thing turned into a circus.
It will require "line breeding" (Inbreeding) to produce more.
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01-18-11, 02:31 AM
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Re: Very rare piebald caught in the wild
It is a shame it will require inbreeding to keep going >.< You would think that if it is possible randomly in the wild they would be able to eventually breed them without the inbreeding part.
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01-18-11, 02:49 AM
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Re: Very rare piebald caught in the wild
^^ The odds are astronomical though!
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01-18-11, 03:00 AM
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Re: Very rare piebald caught in the wild
You never know CH they could just get REALLY REALLY REALLY lucky and get it in what 3 generations of the breeders family? Sort of a family tradition to get another of these guys.
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01-18-11, 08:44 AM
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Re: Very rare piebald caught in the wild
Inbreeding happens in the wild too.
There is a whole colony of melanistic garter snakes near Toledo Ohio that obviously started by siblings breeding, it happened so often that there is now large numbers of melanistic in one area.
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01-18-11, 10:00 AM
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Re: Very rare piebald caught in the wild
Isn't it dangerous for the snakes that are born to be inbred? Ya know like lesser immune, other mutations you don't want, ect. ect. Or are reptiles "immune" to the dangers?
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01-18-11, 10:44 AM
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Re: Very rare piebald caught in the wild
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Isn't it dangerous for the snakes that are born to be inbred? Ya know like lesser immune, other mutations you don't want, ect. ect. Or are reptiles "immune" to the dangers?
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It takes several generations for the defects to surface.
I have a couple albino garters that are F5 and they are just now getting bug eyes.
I will not breed mine, the offspring would most likely all have bug eyes.
This snow is F4, and has one bug eye, the other is normal.
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01-18-11, 11:01 AM
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Re: Very rare piebald caught in the wild
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Inbreeding happens in the wild too.
There is a whole colony of melanistic garter snakes near Toledo Ohio that obviously started by siblings breeding, it happened so often that there is now large numbers of melanistic in one area.
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That'd be a sight to see!
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01-18-11, 11:09 AM
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Re: Very rare piebald caught in the wild
The Buckeye Herps Blog: Melanistic Garters of Ohio
My wife is from Toledo, next time we drive out to visit, I'm going herping.
Her brother recently purchased a "fixer upper" house out in the dairy country behind the automobile factories, He is constantly telling us of the black snakes he sees.
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01-18-11, 11:39 AM
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Re: Very rare piebald caught in the wild
Just cause I am new to breeding terms in general...what does F4 ect. mean?
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