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10-14-10, 01:11 AM
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You can call me JR
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proper tank/snake managment
So i noticed a re-occuring topic is not to use fish tanks as vivs so why doesnt everybody post the pro's and cons and such and then make it a sticky thread so when it comes up you can just link the facts about it to the thread so sticky situations involving clashing forum members can be avoided.
i for one still dont know why its bad. ive only been harassed to change it never taught why to change it
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10-14-10, 01:36 AM
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Re: proper tank/snake managment
Very good points JR.
First, your corn snake will be fine in an aquarium as long as the other conditions are met.
Here's why. Corn snakes are found in states that have cooler climates all the way down to Florida. They are well adapted to varying temperatures and humidity conditions, so in all reality no one can find true fault with a nice 35-55 gallon aquarium set up with a nice water bowl, substrate and hide (bare basics) as long as a basking spot or under tank heat mat is used so the snake has a warm spot.
Most any non tropical colubrid snake can be kept in a "fish cage"
However if doing so certain things become more critical, The overall room temperature will have a far greater effect on the overall ambient temperatures inside the cage. But once again, this is not super critical with north American colubrid species. As long as you don't freeze them solid, they will live.
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Where I have to agree is most (not all) any python or boa (Boids) are tropical animals from warm humid climates.
For instance BP spend the daytime hours under cover and have a preference for animal burrows. Down underground it's very humid much like a typical home basement that does not have a dehumidifier running in it.
So to properly keep a ball python in proper health, it is important to get as close as possible to the humidity levels they are accustomed to in nature.
Furthermore their temperature requirements are a lot more critical than a corn snakes would be, Glass is a poor material to keep the heat in the cage where you need it & a screen top lets out the humidity.
Constant misting and soaking can lead to scale rot and belly rot & even lead to respiratory issues, so it's just far better to use a setup that does not let your humidity escape rapidly like a screen cover does.
Hope this answers your questions...
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10-14-10, 02:17 AM
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Re: proper tank/snake managment
certainly does now i just measured my snakes skin and she is approx(not exact as im told the skin is a little strectched) 4' 4'' and she is in a 20 long. is that suitable? or should i bump it up to a 30?
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10-14-10, 02:24 AM
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Re: proper tank/snake managment
I have read of people painting 3 sides of the aquarium black and covering it with something insulating, such as cardboard. To help hold the heat. Also, covering 3/4 of the top with a damp towel will help hold the humidity. What I do with all of my snakes is provide a humid hide. Basically any container big enough for the snake to fit in, with a hole cut in it with a layer of damp sphagnum moss.
My personal feelings about aquariums for pythons and boids are, they are just not big enough for the snake to be comfortable. Lengthwise, they could be fine, but they only have 12 to 18" in depth and that just doesn't seem like enough to me. And having a 360 degree view of the world outside of their cage tends to make them a little nervous. As infernalis said, your corn may do fine, but as he grows you'll want something bigger for him than a 20 gallon aquarium.
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10-14-10, 02:25 AM
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domi adsum
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Re: proper tank/snake managment
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Originally Posted by Reptile_Reptile
certainly does now i just measured my snakes skin and she is approx(not exact as im told the skin is a little strectched) 4' 4'' and she is in a 20 long. is that suitable? or should i bump it up to a 30?
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Is this the corn or the BP?
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Thanks for reading, Greg
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10-14-10, 02:32 AM
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Re: proper tank/snake managment
sorry my corn my bp is about 17'' long i think (i do the damp towell thing actually and i have a forest siding for aquariums on my bps tank (3 sides) none for my corn tho
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10-14-10, 03:02 AM
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domi adsum
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Re: proper tank/snake managment
Well, until you can get the setup you want and need, do the humid hide bit for your bp. And for the corn, just get yourself a rubbemaid tub, you'll be out maybe 10 bucks. Alternatly, you can check the freebies and pets section of your local Craigslist, or freecycle.org. You may be able to come up with some free or inexpensive caging items. Good luck. You are concerned for you buddies. Thats definately a start.
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Thanks for reading, Greg
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10-14-10, 03:15 AM
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Re: proper tank/snake managment
ok so i'm holding my corn right now and she is right next to my ear and occasionally i can hear her breath not exactly wheezing but i can still hear it. do they make noises (she is being really active just trying to slither around.) or do i need to change something asap?
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10-14-10, 03:20 AM
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Re: proper tank/snake managment
My corns are young yet, but my bigger, older snakes I can hear them breath especially if they are right next to my ear. They do have nostrils. Hopefully someone else can be of more help here..
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Thanks for reading, Greg
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10-14-10, 03:22 AM
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Re: proper tank/snake managment
ok cause its not wheezing but i was wondering if it was labored breathing or something like retics do
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10-14-10, 05:52 AM
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Re: proper tank/snake managment
My adult corn you can hear her breath if near your ear too. Especially when she is trying to escape as i try to put her back in the viv - she will get her head near the viv then suddenly double back on her self up my arm to not be put away!
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10-14-10, 06:18 AM
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Re: proper tank/snake managment
oh no Gonda is all about her shoe box hide she is either in that or in the aspen bedding under her water bowl
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10-14-10, 07:29 AM
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Re: proper tank/snake managment
Once she is back in the viv she is always under her moss hide but when she is out she dont want to go back!
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10-14-10, 08:28 AM
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Re: proper tank/snake managment
My corn is the same way, could care less until I take him out, then he don't want to go back in.
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10-14-10, 08:34 AM
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Re: proper tank/snake managment
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Originally Posted by Reptile_Reptile
So i noticed a re-occuring topic is not to use fish tanks as vivs so why doesnt everybody post the pro's and cons and such and then make it a sticky thread so when it comes up you can just link the facts about it to the thread so sticky situations involving clashing forum members can be avoided.
i for one still dont know why its bad. ive only been harassed to change it never taught why to change it
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thats a fair point mate
top marks for you hanging in there and still wanting to learn the pro's and cons of snake keeping.
you'll learn plenty on here and you'll find we're not a bad bunch at all.
i only work with carpet pythons so if you go out and buy yourself a nice carpet feel free to ask anything you want mate.i will try and explain it as best and polite as i can.
anything else ive had personal experience with i will gladly share with you.you young folk are the hobby's future after all.10 out of 10 for hanging in there.
cheers shaun
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