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10-05-10, 04:10 PM
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frozen vs live
My 2 1/2 year old ball python came to me eating 4-5 mice once a month I have been told her age and size she should be eating rats and that f/t would be the best are there any suggestions and or recommendations on how I should do this change with out freaking her out and her not eating at all
Thanks
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10-05-10, 04:15 PM
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Re: frozen vs live
to be honest, when i got my womas and diamond they were on mice, i just gave them ft rats and they downed them np. maybe a little different with BP being notoriouse bad eaters, so im sure you may get better help in the next post. GL
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10-05-10, 04:19 PM
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Re: frozen vs live
Two ways of thinking in my mind. Try the same prey they are eating now but f/t instead of live then when comfortable switch to rats OR switch straightbto f/t rats and see what happens.........
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10-05-10, 05:15 PM
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Re: frozen vs live
see i always have been an advocate for live feeds but lately ive been getting sketched out when i feed my corn snake rats cause they are always so interested in her and im always picking her up or moving the snake aka disturbing the crap outta my snake she is a good eater tho and is very cool about it (she doesnt mind me holding her when she strikes but i dont think thats good so i only do it if a rat is all over her) should i switch to f/t for rat feedings and will my royal eat f/t rats when he can eat rats cause i want to continue live feeding mice
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10-05-10, 07:09 PM
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Re: frozen vs live
I never feed live unless its for hatchies and neonats to get going.There is no need for it and all your doing is adding more stress to not only the mouse/rat but also your snake. Its to great a risk with no benefit.
Just heat a rat (scented with a mouse) up til its warm to touch and then wiggle it around on a pair of tongs at night in her enclosure. This should be enough to get her to strike which in most cases they will then eat once its in their gob.
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10-05-10, 10:46 PM
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Re: frozen vs live
Nanna, try feeding a fresh killed rat and see how that goes. Rub some dirty mouse shavings on it if you want to mask the rat scent, but I'm sure you'll be fine. Remember that the normal body temperature of a rat is around 100 F, so if you chose to do a frozen thawed rat instead of a fresh killed one, to give it a good blast of heat (you can use a hair dryer for this) just before you offer it.
Reptile-reptile -- Why do you choose to feed live prey, especially knowing that there is a risk involved for your snake? If you enjoy watching the kill, perhaps you may want to rethink this. Especially since it might wind up turning on you and instead of watching your snake kill a rat... you'll be watching a rat kill your snake! There is NO way you will be quick enough to prevent a determined rat from attacking and either killing or severely injuring your snake.
Is it worth the risk?
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10-05-10, 11:49 PM
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Re: frozen vs live
I agree, dont feed live, if you can possibly avoid live food, maybe its all you can find, bonk it first, or if you snake wont eat FT which is rare but their are cases try you best to feed FT. go to youtube and watch the live videos their. that way your little buddy is not at risk
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10-06-10, 01:44 AM
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Re: frozen vs live
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Originally Posted by annieb_mice
Nanna, try feeding a fresh killed rat and see how that goes. Rub some dirty mouse shavings on it if you want to mask the rat scent, but I'm sure you'll be fine. Remember that the normal body temperature of a rat is around 100 F, so if you chose to do a frozen thawed rat instead of a fresh killed one, to give it a good blast of heat (you can use a hair dryer for this) just before you offer it.
Reptile-reptile -- Why do you choose to feed live prey, especially knowing that there is a risk involved for your snake? If you enjoy watching the kill, perhaps you may want to rethink this. Especially since it might wind up turning on you and instead of watching your snake kill a rat... you'll be watching a rat kill your snake! There is NO way you will be quick enough to prevent a determined rat from attacking and either killing or severely injuring your snake.
Is it worth the risk?
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trust me i feel for and think every feeder i walk through my door is cute but i figure the snake sits in its tank all day and when it gets to come out all it gets to do is be held. soooo i give it some action. and no need to be a jerk about it its all personal preference at least im open to F/T and asking questions instead of just being a blind advocate
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When I was 5 years old, my mother always told me that happiness was the key to life. When I went to school, they asked me what I wanted to be when I grew up. I wrote down ‘happy’. They told me I didn’t understand the assignment, and I told them they didn’t understand life. -John Lennon
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10-06-10, 01:48 AM
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Re: frozen vs live
can any1 tell me how to do alternative things for my snake in the lines of entertainment or stimuli. and wouldnt a dead rat/mouse have less nutrients or some such? i just want some facts b4 i just jump on board. (does everyone on this board F/T)
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When I was 5 years old, my mother always told me that happiness was the key to life. When I went to school, they asked me what I wanted to be when I grew up. I wrote down ‘happy’. They told me I didn’t understand the assignment, and I told them they didn’t understand life. -John Lennon
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10-06-10, 02:02 AM
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Re: frozen vs live
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Originally Posted by Reptile_Reptile
can any1 tell me how to do alternative things for my snake in the lines of entertainment or stimuli. and wouldnt a dead rat/mouse have less nutrients or some such? i just want some facts b4 i just jump on board. (does everyone on this board F/T)
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Just so you lknow, No one is attacking you or "being a jerk" about it..
I mod here, own a board and belong to 11 others, trust me when I say that the vast majority of real/serious/caring snake owners do their best to feed previously dead (Either pre-killed or F/T) prey items to their snakes.
Unlike mammals, reptiles do not require amusement or entertainment to make their lives interesting, Most reptiles (Pythons and corn snakes included) are very happy to just sit under their hides most of the time.
In fact, constant handling is rather stressful to the animal.
Again, this is just suggestions for you, there should never be any reason to be defensive. 
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10-06-10, 02:08 AM
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Re: frozen vs live
thanks. does it work like a normal feeding?
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When I was 5 years old, my mother always told me that happiness was the key to life. When I went to school, they asked me what I wanted to be when I grew up. I wrote down ‘happy’. They told me I didn’t understand the assignment, and I told them they didn’t understand life. -John Lennon
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10-06-10, 02:27 AM
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Re: frozen vs live
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Originally Posted by Reptile_Reptile
thanks. does it work like a normal feeding?
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Yes.
My corn snake, I just leave the dead prey in overnight, it's always gone by morning.
With my BP I just hold the rat by the tail with long tongs.
Be careful with pythons, They have heat pits and can accidentally strike your hand.
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10-06-10, 02:31 AM
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Re: frozen vs live
interesting. is there any list of pros an cons i can look over or is it just so cut and dry that there is no reason to have one? oh and yes i"m very aware of his heat Pitts I'm probably one of the most knowledgeable newbs out there i spent most of grade school middle school and high school doing all my reports and studies on pythons Ive been obsessed since 8 and didn't get my first snake till 18
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When I was 5 years old, my mother always told me that happiness was the key to life. When I went to school, they asked me what I wanted to be when I grew up. I wrote down ‘happy’. They told me I didn’t understand the assignment, and I told them they didn’t understand life. -John Lennon
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10-06-10, 02:33 AM
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Re: frozen vs live
Live prey will carry heaps more parrasite's and worms that ones that have been kiled and stored in the freezer for a month or so.
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10-06-10, 02:41 AM
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Re: frozen vs live
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Originally Posted by percey39
Live prey will carry heaps more parrasite's and worms that ones that have been kiled and stored in the freezer for a month or so.
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no offence but i dont want to hear that propaganda. in the wild its all a snake eats is live prey and many many of them live full and healthy lives so i think a rat i get from a store that hasnt been eating garbage and running thru fields is still a lot better and i cant see it happening like that (although still a valid point to reduce all threat to snake)
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When I was 5 years old, my mother always told me that happiness was the key to life. When I went to school, they asked me what I wanted to be when I grew up. I wrote down ‘happy’. They told me I didn’t understand the assignment, and I told them they didn’t understand life. -John Lennon
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