Housing BP's Together.

angie_85 · 02-05-09, 04:26 PM

I house my 3 ball pythons together. I know that many people may disagree with this so I would like to know any reasons why not to. I am not suggesting that this is a good idea and anyone that thinks of housing species together should first consider the consequences. Any and all comments are welcome. This may help me to see why what I am doing is considered wrong. Thank you.

GoodSmeagol · 02-05-09, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by angie_85

I house my 3 ball pythons together. I know that many people may disagree with this so I would like to know any reasons why not to. I am not suggesting that this is a good idea and anyone that thinks of housing species together should first consider the consequences. Any and all comments are welcome. This may help me to see why what I am doing is considered wrong. Thank you.

I know that shooting my self in not a good idea.
Can everyone please tell me why it may not be the best idea?
This may help me to see why what I am doing is considered wrong/stupid.

Stress
Dominance
Uncontroled Breeding
Stress Again
Innability to quarentine one when/if sick
Innability to know when last bowel movement was per snake

Any one else want to take it from here?

Kmef07 · 02-05-09, 06:02 PM

dude this has been an ongoing thing in all of her posts but she wanted to make a thread just for it so she didn't have to look at it anymore.

Kmef07 · 02-05-09, 06:07 PM

she is basically saying that i want help but if i don't agree with what you are sayin then i don't want your help on that anymore.

she stated in another thread that 2 breeders so far agree with her and my answer to that is: i bet i can find at least two people that believe they are the son of God but i guarantee you they are not. They will probably tell you to give them money and then drink some poision but that isn't a good idea either

citysnakes · 02-05-09, 08:21 PM

angie, you may feel that there is no problem housing your bps together and that all three are thriving. i think youre wrong and that all three are surviving but definitely not thriving.

are your ball pythons eating and growing? sure they are you tell us. are your ball pythons subtly but constantly competing with each other and dealing with unnecessary stress while being housed improperly? sure they are, thats something you dont need to tell us.

im also sure that there must be a reason for ball pythons being solitary animals in the wild and although we cannot recreate the wild in a fish tank, we can at least provide the basic needs that these animals require to thrive in our care. one of those needs being individual enclosures for each animal that we care for.

angie_85 · 02-05-09, 09:03 PM

Kmef07: I am taking all of this into consideration, and going to make an educated decision when I have all of the facts. It is not that I do not want to look at what people are saying. I am not saying that I do not want help, just want people to be respectable and not rude, and explain this to me. I for some reason do not agree, possibly because I do not understand fully. Or maybe I am just being stubborn and ignorant. Either way, this is my attempt at understanding what I am doing wrong.

GoodSmeagol: I will not shoot myself in the foot because it will hurt. I am not a stupid person, at times I just do not understand. I am begging that people stop being rude and just answer to the best of their knowledge.

Thank you.

GoodSmeagol · 02-05-09, 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoodSmeagol

I know that shooting my self in not a good idea.
Can everyone please tell me why it may not be the best idea?
This may help me to see why what I am doing is considered wrong/stupid.

Stress
Dominance
Uncontroled Breeding
Stress Again
Innability to quarentine one when/if sick
Innability to know when last bowel movement was per snake

Any one else want to take it from here?

do you read entire posts?
Sure I poked some fun at the way you asked this question.
but I also gave you, 6 answers

again

Stress
Dominance
Uncontroled Breeding
Stress Again
Innability to quarentine one when/if sick
Innability to know when last bowel movement was per snake

I will also add in,
THEY ARE SOLITARY ANIMALS!

Chu'Wuti · 02-05-09, 09:41 PM

Digestion issues
Competition for best basking spot, water/soaking spots

Oh, those lead to stress again, don't they?

hmmm

siz · 02-05-09, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by GoodSmeagol

Innability to know when last bowel movement was per snake

That's a really good one, this is something you can not moniter with more than one animal in the enclosure.

Kmef07 · 02-05-09, 11:07 PM

listen im not trying to be rude im really not im just saying that out of the 20 or so people that are on here and post everyday not one thinks it is a good idea. maybe you should just trust the people on here because they have a lot of experiece with snakes and they know what they are doing obviously. im not going to re-list everything everone has told you. and i know about being stubborn i have "shot myself in the foot" enough times by not listening to people that know more than me.

jimbousmc · 02-06-09, 12:54 AM

i have a suggestion, why not get a couple more enclosures and then if you want them to have some interactions with each other give them time together each day. or every other day. and just give them time apart.

Chu'Wuti · 02-06-09, 08:37 AM

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why not get a couple more enclosures and then if you want them to have some interactions with each other give them time together each day. or every other day. and just give them time apart.

Interesting idea. I'd think you'd have to have one "group" enclosure that you don't use for any individual though in order to make them all equally stressed when you put them together instead of one or two new ones feeling stressed because they're in someone else's territory.

The whole thing is moot for me anyway; I have never kept more than one snake in an enclosure except for breeding pairs, and I'm not into that anymore, at least not with that species.

Kmef07 · 02-06-09, 08:47 AM

what about keeping them in one enclosure but putting in some dividers that way you can show them all off at once and you still make them happy. then you don't have to worry about them pissing each other off but you won't have to really invest in more inclosures. you can just get another bulb or two.

siz · 02-06-09, 10:01 AM

I would think it would be challenging to try and provide a basking spot, a warm and cold hide, water etc etc, in a divided tank. I don't remember the dimensions of the tank but I could see this not working.

Chu'Wuti · 02-06-09, 10:31 AM

With a big enough enclosure, it can be done, but it's not optimal. I did it for a temporary enclosure once. Sheesh, I had forgotten about that! It really worked pretty well for the 2-3 weeks I had them in there.