Second try

meow_mix450 · 07-19-05, 03:13 PM

Hey

My female panther has just laid 22 eggs. 2 look infertile but hopefully things will all go well this time. This time I have made a incubator with a refrigerator to bring the temperature down to 23C degrees aka 73F. Once again I expect the eggs to hatch in January. If this clutch does not hatch or have problems hatching i will have to conclude that the parents are related some how.

Meow

galad · 07-19-05, 05:21 PM

Thats awsome
I hope all goes well for you
hopefully my female will lay soon.
Im worried about eggbinding because im sure they are infertile.
If she does lay how long will it take her colouration to go back to normal?

good luck with your eggs

ws

meow_mix450 · 07-19-05, 05:23 PM

Once there gravid they dont really go back to its original colour. Well mine doesnt

Meow

rullom · 07-19-05, 07:40 PM

Meow...I have a few questions for you ....could you email me (at rullom@mcmaster.ca) your address so I can send you some questions.

Thanks
Mike

meow_mix450 · 07-19-05, 08:24 PM

Ask away, it would help a lot of people if you asked your questions here. But if you still insist on e-mailing me its meow_mix450@hotmail.com. I was the one asking about your silkworms

. But most of the answers I give you will either be through my experience or what I have read

Meow

rullom · 07-19-05, 08:45 PM

Well I had a post earlier and you seem to have much success with your male mating. I don't know if you are the one who replied to my post but I was wondering if you had any techniques to offer to get the male to mate. I can get receptivity by the female but the male just doesn't respond. To be honest he mated once which is where I received the first clutch we discussed previously but he won't do it again...I was stupid to not notice the conditions when he did. My daylight has increased and moisture I have increased. Should I reduce the lighting since he mated once and give an artificial winter for a month or so and then try again or keep the lighting constant untill our winter? I also sent a post already regarding my female...maybe you know the answer to that as well.

Thanks

meow_mix450 · 07-19-05, 09:02 PM

Well the thing is that your lucky to even get a female to be receptive. Usually the case is the female is not willing. In all honesty if your male isn't willing to mate with your female then you can't really force it. Sometimes you can try extra hard by changing the temperature, the humidity, the moisture level and you still get nothing. That's just the way things are...what you can do is place the male into the females enclosure or place the female in the males enclosure. That might even solve your problem. In my case I place the male into the females enclosure. It takes around 30 Min's before they actually mate. They will play the chasing game for a while. The mating will also take around 30 minutes before the male lets go. After that I place the male back into his enclosure.

Another thing you could do is place the male in the enclosure for an hour. Sometimes males can be dumb and not see the female at all. But through this period of time walk in to make sure there is no aggression shown.

Your lighting your care is probably perfect. Don't worry about it to much. It could just be your male that doesn't want to mate at all. What you can do is trade for another male.

If your female is bigger then the male it could be scaring the male off. That could be the reason.

How old is your male and female?
Are they both the same species?
Do they live separately?
If they do, are they able to see each other at a far away distance?

Meow

meow_mix450 · 07-19-05, 09:04 PM

This is a old picture of them mating

Recent Pictures(taken just now)
Male

Female

Meow

meow_mix450 · 07-19-05, 09:14 PM

O ya Galad, the picture of the female you can see is still gravid even after she has laid her eggs 2 days ago

Meow

galad · 07-19-05, 11:03 PM

awsome meow it hould be any day now for her laying

hope all goes well with yours rullom

peace

ws

Collide · 07-20-05, 08:22 AM

Meow Is there no place in your house that is cool like a basment closet close to the floor or something, I dotn think incubators have much luck from all that i have read. As well i think even if they were related they would produce offspring. I think that with the amout of variables involved if this batch has issues as well that you just cant jump to being related as the issue with just 2 clutches, i think its more complicated then that. again i dotn think that incubators are great for cham eggs.

meow_mix450 · 07-20-05, 09:38 AM

Ya I have also read that incubators ain't the best either. But there is no place in my house that can incubate the eggs. The coolest part of my house still reached at 28C and at night its 26C. Those were the temps I was using for 2 of my clutch's. My house has no basement and such, or that would have been my incubation. Well another reason why I thought it might have been related issues is because the 2nd clutch had some deformities, but it could be due to high temperatures I have no idea.

Meow

rullom · 07-20-05, 02:17 PM

My male is around 1 yr or less...still bigger than the female who is a bit older. They are in separate cages and cannot see eachother. Should they? He has mated once but not again. SHould I stimulate a winter season and wait a few months or just leave....

Thanks

galad · 07-21-05, 12:02 PM

I think alot of people confusse inbreeding in humans with inbreeding in reptiles. some reptiles in the wild come from a very small eco system. I have read of a dart frog that is only found underneither one water fall. So in such a samll niche i can be 100% certain that inbreeding occurs. The same can go for other species of reptiles, and amphibians. The fact is that a reptile in the wild is not going to mate because the female he came across is his sister of mother.
So IMO I really dont think inbreeding will cause deformities. Unless of course inbreeding has been going on for generations then health problemes will deff. occur. But i highly doubt that your chams are a result of generations of inbreeding.

Something i dont know much about at all would be incubation. SImply because of the fact that i have yet to incubate any eggs.

What is the proper incubation temps for panther eggs. I have heard that sometimes they need a cooling stage for a couple months, is this true. Have you tried this?

peace

ws