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11-10-04, 02:59 PM
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Life Expectancy for Chams
Does anyone know the difference between a veiled and a panther in terms of life expectancy?
I have heard 7 years for a veiled and 2 for a panther. Does this sound right? 2 years seems very short to me.
Adam
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11-10-04, 03:31 PM
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depends if you are talking about a male or female. Female panthers and veileds often only live 2-3 years due to the stress of laying eggs. The oldest male veiled i had was 5 and going strong when i sold him. I also had a male panther for 2 years and going strong when i sold him.
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11-10-04, 03:54 PM
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My female panther died at just under 4 years, female veild 4years, male veilds can live much longer anywhere from 5+ is good iv herd of soem really long lived male veilds. my male panther is 4 and still going strong, just general spans they varie with different care.
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11-11-04, 03:04 AM
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Panthers I'm not too sure about as I can't find any morphs for sale around here that I'm interested in. Although, my veiled female is 5 years old right now and I think she'll be kickin' the bucket soon (I'm surprised she's lasted this long, she had MBD as a hatchling when I got her). Beth Wallbank had a female that lasted 7 years, and laid around 60-80 eggs per clutch up until she died. Males can live about 10-12 years.
-Brock
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11-14-04, 02:15 PM
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10 - 12 huh? (cough)
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11-14-04, 08:07 PM
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got a cold jason?
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11-14-04, 08:14 PM
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Well actually 
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11-15-04, 01:48 PM
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12 yr old cham does sound a little high, but i wouldn't rule it out. With perfect housing and lots of attention and no predators, i suppose it could be done. Has anybody ever heard of a cham getting that old, i haven't heard anyywhere near that age. I think 2 is a little low for panthers. Unless of course they live on a twig in a bucket with water offered monthly.
Geoff
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11-15-04, 02:24 PM
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Panthers can easily go 5 years with good care, even females. My jacksons were 5-7 years old when they died, one of which was a WC female, already an adult and I had her for just over 5 years.
Now that we're learning more about proper cham husbandry and the word is filtering through to new owners, chams should be living longer than 2 years. The exceptions are WC, specially those already adult when captured. You have no way of knowing how old they are.
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11-15-04, 10:07 PM
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If a female can live 7 years, and males naturally live longer than females, I don't see how 10 years is a coughing matter.
-Brock
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11-15-04, 11:39 PM
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If a female can live 7 years, and males naturally live longer than females, I don't see how 10 years is a coughing matter.
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So you guessed?
Jason
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11-15-04, 11:54 PM
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If a female can live 7 years, and males naturally live longer than females, I don't see how 10 years is a coughing matter.
So you guessed?
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I've heard of people with male chameleons over 10 years old. I believe they were panthers.
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11-15-04, 11:58 PM
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i also heard that panthers could last a LONG time compared to veileds...
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11-16-04, 01:32 AM
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he is not wrong jason i have heard of many male veilds that live past ten I would not call this the norum but with good care and good breeding it is very possible.
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11-16-04, 02:15 AM
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I've heard of males of a number of species living that long. Not the norm, but not unheard of.
Chris
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