Need An ID ASAP!

kevyn · 03-22-04, 02:07 AM

I need to know if this is Varanus salvator or Varanus salvadorii:

bluechameleon · 03-22-04, 02:54 AM

wow thats pretty but looks like none that ive seen before.....

Bighead · 03-22-04, 05:16 AM

It looks like salvadorii to me, but I'm definitely not a water monitor expert.

Scales Zoo · 03-22-04, 10:53 AM

I'm no expert either, but that doesn't look like any baby water I've ever seen, and it doesn't look like a baby croc.

Maybe it is a cool salvator ssp that I'm not used to seeing, but I think it is another kind of monitor all together. Hopefully a more expert opinion will be able to answer this - my post will atleast bump the thread up.

Ryan

Gregg M · 03-22-04, 11:04 AM

It is not salvator or salvadorii....... It is Varanus bengalensis....... They are CITES 1 so ya better have paper work.......

Scales Zoo · 03-22-04, 11:14 AM

Good one Gregg, any idea what subspecies of bengalensis that might be? I'm leaning towards V. b. nebulosis, from the eastern part of their range - haha.

Ryan

Gregg M · 03-22-04, 11:20 AM

That does look more like nebulosis than V. b. bengalensis to me....... I would say your guess is correct Ryan...... Good call....
Gregg

kevyn · 03-22-04, 11:25 AM

the bengal monitor and the malayan water monitor look fairly similar as juveniles from what i have managed to find about them. is there any chance it could be a malayan water dragon? my guess for the best identification will be to post new pictures when it arrives, as that is not the best picture for identifying purposes.
kevyn's better half, meaghan

Gregg M · 03-22-04, 11:34 AM

That pic is good enough for me or anyone that knows monitors to be 100% sure it is V. bengalensis...... V. salvaror and V. bengalensis look nothing alike at any stage in their life....... All I can say is do not get caught with that animal without having the proper CITES permits....... If you notice, its head is much shorter and it is totally lacking snout bands...... Plus the back pattern is totally different then a "Malayan Water monitor"......... You asked for a positive ID and you got one..... I guess you were not happy with the answer you got........ It is 100% without a doubt a Bengal monitor..... And like I said, paper work is a must, unless you dont mind paying fines and serving jail time......

John A · 03-22-04, 12:07 PM

its a bengalensis nebulosis. malay water dragon. no way. salvadorii or salvator? nope. a frog, no sorry. a rhinoceros chicken snake? nah not this time, (gregg lol). bengals are related to salvator, but prefer staying away from water ways. salvator has that area covered. they eat very well, almost bottomless pits. they can reach 5 feet or more. they sometimes have a frantic feeding response that is taken out on your fingers or what ever else is nearby. feed that baby everyday! get it in proper conditions and enjoy. they are among the toughest varanids. good luck! -john

Scales Zoo · 03-22-04, 12:30 PM

John would know if it was a weird salvator ssp (water monitor).

Ryan

AHLizards · 03-22-04, 12:44 PM

The coloring looked like a croc to me..... But now that I look at the head shape, it can't be..

Jeff_Favelle · 03-22-04, 12:54 PM

CITES won't care unless you're moving it or its offpsring across international borders. Look at all the people without Dumeril's paperwork. CITES doesn't give a rats a$$.

John A · 03-22-04, 12:55 PM

jeff, dumerili are cites 1? -john

Gregg M · 03-22-04, 12:57 PM

How does that look anything like a croc????? Maybe I cant see the big yellow spots on the dorsal that you somehow see.....LOL.... And yes Ryan, John would know if it was a salvator or not....... When it comes to Asian monitors, Johnny boy makes me look like an idiot.....LOL But I will school the he!! out of him on African varanids and venomous snakes........LOL...... And Jeff it depends on the appendix and believe it or not CITES does give a rats a$$ depending on the species...... Bengals are highly protected......