Rock Python Morphs?

CHRISANDBOIDS14 · 02-26-04, 06:08 PM

Hello all!

I know there are African Rock Pythons and Indian Rock Pythons, and I think one is endangered isn't it? Well anyways, which ones are availible in captivity and what are there morphs? Thanks.

Chris

kevyn · 02-27-04, 12:08 AM

Indian Rock Pythons are highly endangered (appendix 1). They are available but pure Indians Rocks are hard to come by and are very rare if not impossible to find in Canada. I've been looking for one for a while now and have never found one in Canada. They are also illegal to ship over state lines in U.S. . African Rocks are common. There are patternless, striped, aberrant, aberrant stipped and tiger stripped, as far as I know. Most of the 'strips' are just variations on a theme and not sure if they are true morphs.

Dom · 02-28-04, 01:57 AM

As far as i know except for the striping .. theres really regulars.. and patternless and pretty much anythin in between patternless and regulars.. no real morphs..

My male is het for patterneless.. not really worth more though ..

dave68 · 02-28-04, 02:53 AM

As far as I knew indian rock python is just another name for a burmese python...is it not? If going by latin names, python molurus molurus is an Indian python which is endangered and is a sub-species of a burmese python-people used to refer to these as indian or asiatic rock pythons, anyways I really like the patternless african rocks and i also read that the patternless morph like the tiger morph in retics was more calm and pleasant, is this true?

kevyn · 02-28-04, 03:09 AM

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As far as I knew indian rock python is just another name for a burmese python...is it not? If going by latin names, python molurus molurus is an Indian python which is endangered and is a sub-species of a burmese python-people used to refer to these as indian or asiatic rock pythons, anyways

The Burmese Rock Python (Python molurus bivittatus) is actually a subspecies of the Indian Rock Python. They are different in various ways (colouring, size, scalation), they also prefer slightly different habitats. The term asiatic rock pythons was used (and still is at times) to describe all animals in the molurus species:

Python molurus molurus (Indian Rock Python)
Python molurus bivittatus (Burmese Rock Python)
Python molurus pimbura (Ceylonese Python)

dave68 · 02-28-04, 03:19 AM

Right, the main point of this thread is about african rock python morphs so talking about indian pythons is completely irrelevant, i guess as they are completely diff. species altogether. Anyways what about the validity of african rock python (python sebae sebae) pattern morphs?

kevyn · 02-28-04, 04:02 AM

Actually he did ask about Indians in his original post.

And to my knowledge patternless and striped African Rocks are genetic.

CHRISANDBOIDS14 · 02-29-04, 01:45 PM

Thanks! And don't worry. I did ask about indians in the beggining and dont mind your talking about them

. Thanks again.

Chris

JimmyDavid · 02-29-04, 04:23 PM

Kevyn, Pimbura is no more.
Recently, taxonomists agreed that there was no significant variation from the original Indians.

CHRISANDBOIDS14 · 02-29-04, 09:22 PM

Bob Clark still has Pimbura for sale. Whats the difference between:
AFRICAN ROCK PYTHON (Python s. sebae)
AFRICAN ROCK PYTHON (Python s. natalensis)

Thanks.

Chris

CHRISANDBOIDS14 · 02-29-04, 09:27 PM

BTW. Whats the average size for an adult african rock? Thanks.

Chris

Sorry for double posting.

JimmyDavid · 02-29-04, 11:29 PM

The natal species gets smaller. Also has more head scales than sebae, wich are smaller obviously.
The underlining pattern of the eye on natalensis is less defined than sebae's. The V shape is uncomplete while it's very defined on sebae.
Natalensis has many dark spots from belly to chin but sebae has those spots only up to the neck area, the chin is clear white.
These are only some differences...

CHRISANDBOIDS14 · 03-01-04, 12:24 AM

Are the patternless africans availible in P. s. Sebae and Natalensis? Would the smaller patternless cost alot more? I know the regulars cost about $50-100 more where i've seen. Thanks.

Chris

kevyn · 03-01-04, 02:09 AM

I think you'll find that most of the patternless rocks have been acheived by crossing subspecies.

CHRISANDBOIDS14 · 03-02-04, 07:17 PM

So you mean crossing a Natalensis and Sebae? Cause Bob Clark has his patternlesses advertised as sebae.

Chris