whats a massive non venomous colubrid snake?

PatrickT · 01-07-16, 03:45 PM

Do you know any massive looking species in this genera?

SnoopySnake · 01-07-16, 03:57 PM

Drymarchon are generally a good size.

Jim Smith · 01-07-16, 03:59 PM

Eastern Indigo snake (Drymarchon couperi) comes to mind. The record is 2.8 meters long with many specimens reaching 2.3 meters. Males are slightly larger than females and they are heavy bodies beautiful snakes. They are illegal to own without a permit in the Eastern US where they are native to. They are available, but they are not cheap.

**Minkness** · 01-07-16, 04:03 PM

Could look into some cribos or beaut snakes. I hear some getting as big as 9-10 feet. I have no real knowledge though. =)

PatrickT · 01-07-16, 04:03 PM

hard to get over here

PatrickT · 01-07-16, 04:04 PM

Drymarchon are awesome but as i said hard to get over here

Tiny Boidae · 01-07-16, 04:10 PM

Your best bet is to look off of Kingsnake's classified ads, as some interesting specimens can pop up. I also don't know what you consider "massive" regarding length and weight, but I'll spitball a few to give you examples.

Blue Beauty (Or most other beauty snakes really)
130-250 CM ; Very active so requires larger enclosure

Tiger Rat Snake
240-300 CM

Bull Snake
90-210 CM Depending on subspecies ; Bulkier

King Rat Snake (AKA "The Stinking Goddess")
150-175 CM

Ridley's Cave Racer (Or any racer/coachwhip really)
Up to 240 CM ; A lot of racers/coachwhips tend to have an attitude problem

That's just a sampling of what's probably out there, you'll just have to do some searching for a species you like. Colubrids are a pretty diverse group of snake, and often I'll hear of them being referred to as the "trash bin" of snakes as anything that doesn't fit anywhere else, often gets sorted into this group. That means that there is A LOT of diversity, so just look around.

Wingbeats · 01-07-16, 04:52 PM

I read that black milk snakes can get pretty sizable.

reptiledude987 · 01-07-16, 05:27 PM

A mussurana may be an option as well. they are a rear fanged species but not medically significant as far as toxicity goes. adults can reach up to 2.4m in lenght. Also should be fairly easy to find in Europe.

Nightflight99 · 01-07-16, 08:05 PM

There are nearly 2,000 colubrid species, so your selection is massive. Of course, only a small fraction of those is readily available in the trade. Tiny Boidae made some good suggestions of species that are pretty common in both the U.S. and the European trade. However, Kingsnake.com is probably not going to be much help, considering that it is almost exclusively representative of the U.S. market, and not much utilized by European sellers.

With such a massive amount of diversity to pick from, perhaps it would be wise to narrow it down using some additional preferences. Do you prefer a strictly terrestrial species or at least somewhat arboreal? Diurnal or nocturnal activity patterns? High vs. medium level of activity? Price constraints? Answering those questions might lead you closer to your species of choice.

sirtalis · 01-07-16, 08:44 PM

Probably an idigo snake for size, but for looks and some size a king rat, correct me if i'm wrong but I think eastern indigos are the largest colubrid

sirtalis · 01-07-16, 08:44 PM

Mangrove snake get pretty large, they are rear fanged though...

PatrickT · 01-08-16, 12:58 AM

nothing venomous please.

I mean something really bulky and massive. Drymarchon fit this exactly but are very hard to get in germany.

**Tsubaki** · 01-08-16, 01:07 AM

My male bullsnake is longer and thicker than my adult dwarf boa male.. Almost as thick as my wrist, females get even bigger. They're available around here, also beauty snakes are quite large for slender snakes.

SerpentineDream · 01-08-16, 06:04 AM

Russian rat snakes and black milk snakes are good-sized animals with nice dispositions. They are around 6 feet, give or take a little, and hefty. They need large enclosures. I've also been looking at 100 flower rat snakes, which are beautiful and slender but get up to 8 feet. Their temperaments are variable though and WC specimens tend to be loaded with internal parasites.