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06-03-15, 10:06 PM
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When do you know when to treat?
This is my WC Texas Rat. I know the WC argument and not looking for that.
He/She seems healthy. Great eater. And growing like a weed. Per my exam tonight I see no obvious problems. But read about the internal para's on here and searching. I've read good and bad info about treating internal. Mostly good. Question is do you treat automatically or wait and see if an issue arises?
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06-03-15, 10:10 PM
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Re: When do you know when to treat?
I always wait to see if there is a problem before I give medication for no reason. I have had w/c that did not need to be treated.
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06-03-15, 10:13 PM
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Re: When do you know when to treat?
I've had a wc skink for a long time, never needed any medication, always eats like a champ
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06-04-15, 12:39 AM
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Re: When do you know when to treat?
If your snake isn't sick I wouldn't worry about it.
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06-04-15, 07:12 AM
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Re: When do you know when to treat?
Quick question... what does "wc" mean?
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06-04-15, 07:21 AM
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Re: When do you know when to treat?
It means wild caught and cbb means captive bred
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06-04-15, 07:36 AM
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Re: When do you know when to treat?
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Originally Posted by Minkness
It means wild caught and cbb means captive bred
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I call this a teachable moment.
Correct, WC means Wild Caught.
Partially correct in that CBB means captive bred. You're missing the second "b".
Oh about 15+ years ago there were a lot more wild caught and farmed babies so we had to designate them.
WC = wild caught. Means the animal came from the wild. Simple enough.
CB or CH = Captive Born/Captive Hatched. Means the gravid female was collected from the wild, kept until they laid eggs or had babies then released again. Eggs were incubated at the farm. Or the eggs were collected and artificially incubated.
CBB = Captive Born and Bred. Means true blue as we know them today "captive bred" animals.
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06-04-15, 02:41 PM
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Re: When do you know when to treat?
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Originally Posted by Aaron_S
I call this a teachable moment.
Correct, WC means Wild Caught.
Partially correct in that CBB means captive bred. You're missing the second "b".
Oh about 15+ years ago there were a lot more wild caught and farmed babies so we had to designate them.
WC = wild caught. Means the animal came from the wild. Simple enough.
CB or CH = Captive Born/Captive Hatched. Means the gravid female was collected from the wild, kept until they laid eggs or had babies then released again. Eggs were incubated at the farm. Or the eggs were collected and artificially incubated.
CBB = Captive Born and Bred. Means true blue as we know them today "captive bred" animals.
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Thank you for the abbreviation lesson ^.=.^
btw, does the health/temperament differ from CB and CBB? just curious and I'm greatful for your response ^.=.^
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06-04-15, 04:20 PM
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Re: When do you know when to treat?
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Thank you for the abbreviation lesson ^.=.^
btw, does the health/temperament differ from CB and CBB? just curious and I'm greatful for your response ^.=.^
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Great question. Tough to really say. CB was better than WC for parasites, mites and ticks. You still dealt with some of the feeding issues of WC and some of the temper.
Most snake species do seem better in temper after captive breeding.
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06-04-15, 04:23 PM
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Re: When do you know when to treat?
I personally would take a wait and see. But if I had other snakes or was considering breeding in the future then I might go ahead and at least deworm.
Looks pretty healthy to me though, nice and young too.
Ive been looking for a juvi black rat, see lots of adults but no youngsters.
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06-04-15, 04:28 PM
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Re: When do you know when to treat?
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btw, does the health/temperament differ from CB and CBB? just curious and I'm greatful for your response ^.=.^
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Generally, CB and CBB of most species are pretty much the same as far as temperament, assuming they're raised in the same conditions. (some species are exceptions to this, though, especially amongst reptiles) As for health; if the mother of CB animals had some dietary deficiency or parasites, these could affect the health of offspring. Usually they turn out just fine, though.
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06-04-15, 04:48 PM
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Re: When do you know when to treat?
I had a friend who got some wc snakes a couple years ago and treated for parasites before they were fully settled in and ended up loosing them. this year hes goint to wait at least 12 months before treating anything were getting in for parasites. Granted the order is coming from the other side of the world and yours is from locally then there will be a big difference in stress levels but it shouldnt need to be rushed if its growing well.
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06-04-15, 09:29 PM
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Re: When do you know when to treat?
Thanks for the replies! I'm not big on WC's but couldn't pass up a juvi Texas Rat that I caught myself. And I probably wouldn't pass up a baby Yellow Belly Racer, which I damn near caught, but didn't.
I'll wait and see.
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06-04-15, 10:02 PM
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Re: When do you know when to treat?
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Originally Posted by Derek1
Thanks for the replies! I'm not big on WC's but couldn't pass up a juvi Texas Rat that I caught myself. And I probably wouldn't pass up a baby Yellow Belly Racer, which I damn near caught, but didn't.
I'll wait and see.
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Racers have A MUCH MORE DIFFICULT time adjusting to captivity than rat snakes. They need very large enclosures especially when wild caught. I would highly recommend against catching and keeping wild snakes.
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06-05-15, 05:54 AM
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Re: When do you know when to treat?
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Originally Posted by Aaron_S
Great question. Tough to really say. CB was better than WC for parasites, mites and ticks. You still dealt with some of the feeding issues of WC and some of the temper.
Most snake species do seem better in temper after captive breeding.
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Makes sense 
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