why is piebald descriptions different

Woody33259 · 04-09-15, 03:07 PM

why sometimes you se Pinto Pied and sometimes you pied yellowbelly or something to that effect sometimes "Piebald" is first in the desription and sometimes its last WHY?

**Aaron_S** · 04-09-15, 03:47 PM

A pied yellowbelly is a combination of two morphs. The pied or piedbald and the yellowbelly.

Where it is in the name is probably because it sounds better one way or the other.

yeloowtang · 04-09-15, 03:55 PM

I will give this a shot

PIED is a recesive gene that will give the snake white sections, sometimes more other times less.
every snake will be diferent. when you see a pastel pied, pinto pied, albino pied, yellowbelly pied.. this is because the pied snake has another gene plus the pied gene.
pied is only for pied.. so a piedball would be a normal ball python that is pied.
anything else in the name describes diferent genes in you pied..
and just in case you don't know, if you see HET PIED that means the snake carries the recesive gene for pied but has no visual traits.. and you can only get baby pieds (visual) with a pair that carries the pied gene.

hope this makes sense

Chris72 · 04-10-15, 02:24 AM

@ O.P.

If you are looking at different listings for various pied animals and you are not sure what they look like you can Google at follows:

(Name of morph as listed) ball WOB

World of Ball Pythons is a good resource, with great pictures, and it will list the genes in the animal. Also reference (as Yeloowtang mentioned) if the additional genes are resessive, Co-Dom or Dominante.

Some genes, like spider or pewter, will make most of the snake white with color only around the head and neck area. (Even with that they vary). Adding the Pastel or Fire gene will often lighten and brighten the colored areas. Adding Yellowbelly can also (often) lighten and sometimes give the pattern a cool 'melted' look. (I'm over simplifying, but far from an exact science).

So in that example they would be listed as:
- Pewter Pied
- Spied (spider pied)
- Pyro Pied (fire pied)

Or a morph combo name is sometimes common like:
"LemonBlast Pied". (Pastel Pinstripe pied)

This is a spider pied (Spied):

Chris72 · 04-10-15, 02:27 AM

Where this would be a very nice example of a visual female pied with no extra genes:

Hope that helps to clear it up....the name variations are just different ingredients added to a pied animal.

(Unless it says Het Pied, thats different as stated above)

Pirarucu · 04-10-15, 06:33 AM

I don't think he's asking what the morph is. He appears to be asking why the word "pied" comes first or second. The answer is that the order doesn't matter, doesn't mean anything different. It's just the order that it happens to be written in.

Chris72 · 04-10-15, 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Pirarucu

I don't think he's asking what the morph is. He appears to be asking why the word "pied" comes first or second. The answer is that the order doesn't matter, doesn't mean anything different. It's just the order that it happens to be written in.

Ha!
That's what you get for wanting to help when you've been up all night.

So in that case the answer is....

It doesn't matter. I always write the "pied" last because that sounds best to me.

Pied Vs Piebald is like Dave Vs David. Shortened name, same thing.

Ok now....I'm going to go have a gallon of coffee!

jossh27 · 04-10-15, 09:59 AM

chris, is that your snake?

Chris72 · 04-10-15, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by jossh27

chris, is that your snake?

Yup,
All pictures I post are mine.

The Spied I did not produce.
The Pied with the Smiley on her back I did. (Only only one I kept, I have been offered insane money for that one..NFS)

This is us.
https://www.facebook.com/TheIronPython

prairiepanda · 04-10-15, 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris72

Yup,
All pictures I post are mine.

The Spied I did not produce.
The Pied with the Smiley on her back I did. (Only only one I kept, I have been offered insane money for that one..NFS)

This is us.
https://www.facebook.com/TheIronPython

Okay, I know that spied can be definitively identified as such just based on the parentage, but I'm wondering if there's any visual clues on that animal itself that give away the presence of the spider trait? Because it looks like "just" a particularly amazing normal pied to my untrained eyes. Is the spider gene in there just for breeding value?

Chris72 · 04-12-15, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by prairiepanda

Okay, I know that spied can be definitively identified as such just based on the parentage, but I'm wondering if there's any visual clues on that animal itself that give away the presence of the spider trait? Because it looks like "just" a particularly amazing normal pied to my untrained eyes. Is the spider gene in there just for breeding value?

It's tough to look at an animal and yes it is or no it's not a Spied with 100% certainty. They are usually going to present with lighter color and just around the head, but that's not 100% guarantee that the animal has the spider gene. You need to have some assurances from the breeder.

Suppose you could say 'usually a 'masked' animal with lighter color is a Spied if being sold that way'. It would have to be an extremely low white Pied that was blessed with pattern only on the head and being misrepresented by a breeder that doesn't care about his reputation.

**Aaron_S** · 04-13-15, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris72

It's tough to look at an animal and yes it is or no it's not a Spied with 100% certainty. They are usually going to present with lighter color and just around the head, but that's not 100% guarantee that the animal has the spider gene. You need to have some assurances from the breeder.

Suppose you could say 'usually a 'masked' animal with lighter color is a Spied if being sold that way'. It would have to be an extremely low white Pied that was blessed with pattern only on the head and being misrepresented by a breeder that doesn't care about his reputation.

To my knowledge, it could be off, that you can't have a low white spied. Spieds I believe are all high white with pretty much just the head showing. What makes people certain that it's a spied is usually the head marking of the spider.

The only way to be 100% sure is to breed it as you mentioned.

Chris72 · 04-13-15, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Aaron_S

To my knowledge, it could be off, that you can't have a low white spied. Spieds I believe are all high white with pretty much just the head showing. What makes people certain that it's a spied is usually the head marking of the spider.

The only way to be 100% sure is to breed it as you mentioned.

Ah...Typo. Should have read:

"Suppose you could say 'usually a 'masked' animal with lighter color is a Spied if being sold that way'.It would have to be an extremely HIGH white Pied that was blessed with pattern only on the head and being misrepresented by a breeder that doesn't care about his reputation."

(Of course) Best to deal with a breeder you can trust.

prairiepanda · 04-13-15, 09:34 AM

Thanks, guys! Didn't know that the spider and pied genes affected each other in such a way. Now I understand the high demand for spieds more.

Albert Clark · 04-13-15, 10:59 AM

NERD recognizes all species by name in a alphabetically correct format. Hence, pastel pied instead of pied pastel and paradox pied as opposed to pied paradox.