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01-18-14, 04:56 PM
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Pine
I know you can't use pine as substrate for a snake, but I use it for my rat. Just a quick and possibly stupid question, can I have the pine in the same room as a snake or should I get different bedding for the rat?
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01-18-14, 05:13 PM
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Re: Pine
i thought it was the oils that were deadly. so my guess is its fine, but im not sure.
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01-18-14, 05:51 PM
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Re: Pine
You will be fine. While it is not a recommended bedding for reptiles, if you can find it dried out enough, you can use it. There are just so many better options. I have never heard of a snake dying because it was kept on pine bedding.Cedar however is toxic. Substrates also vary by species. Aspen is great, but not if you want raise humidity.
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01-18-14, 05:58 PM
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Re: Pine
Over here they sell a substrate called orchid bark and it is actually pine bark. I use it for my carpets and it is fine, as mentioned it is the oils that are harmful.
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01-18-14, 07:03 PM
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Re: Pine
Alright thanks guys! Just being paranoid.
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01-18-14, 07:45 PM
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Re: Pine
All the beddings have had the terpene removed (toxins) as they force it out and condense it for the chemical industry. Primarily to manufacture turpentine.
It's quite safe, as is pine lumbers.
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01-18-14, 08:04 PM
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Re: Pine
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Originally Posted by infernalis
All the beddings have had the terpene removed (toxins) as they force it out and condense it for the chemical industry. Primarily to manufacture turpentine.
It's quite safe, as is pine lumbers.
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Good to know
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01-21-14, 07:29 PM
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Re: Pine
Pine gives RI for rodents, because of the dust in it. I know aspen is safe.
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01-21-14, 07:52 PM
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Re: Pine
Thanks, Skits
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01-21-14, 09:07 PM
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Re: Pine
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Pine gives RI for rodents, because of the dust in it. I know aspen is safe.
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Where the heck did that come from?
I have raised thousands..no wait hundreds of thousands of rodents..most of them die, but never from being kept on pine.
Kera,
The pine will not hurt your rodents. As I stated above, It can be used as a substrate for snakes, it is just not the best choice.
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01-22-14, 08:21 AM
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Re: Pine
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Where the heck did that come from?
I have raised thousands..no wait hundreds of thousands of rodents..most of them die, but never from being kept on pine.
Kera,
The pine will not hurt your rodents. As I stated above, It can be used as a substrate for snakes, it is just not the best choice.
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01-22-14, 08:28 AM
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Re: Pine
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Originally Posted by kelzerman
by Debbie “The Rat Lady” Ducommun
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Sorry...but they are well cared for. Unfortunately, snakes don't eat chicken soup.
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01-22-14, 08:35 AM
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Re: Pine
I do not breed nor plan on breeding rats/mice. I cant handle the smell. So I have no first hand experience with this...
But I did have a pet rat for awhile until he bit me, and he was kept on pine. I have seen many rat/mice breeding setups and they all use pine. I have never heard them mention anything negative about it.
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01-22-14, 08:39 AM
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Re: Pine
i'd like to see some evidence that pine shavings, even treated to remove terpenes, are safe for reptiles, thats quite a statement to make!
Given that terpenes are highly toxic to most forms of life and it is generally accepted that they should not be used....extracting terpenes from wood is not a 100% efficient process
Pine bark is altogether diffrent, bark does not have sap running thru it like timbre, so does not have anywhere near the same level of terpenes
pine as a timbre for building enclosures is fine, although imo it should be well sealed - and caution should also be taken also for the Phenol resin content of particle boards/ply/etc
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..most of them die
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01-22-14, 09:00 AM
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Re: Pine
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i'd like to see some evidence that pine shavings, even treated to remove terpenes, are safe for reptiles, thats quite a statement to make!
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I doubt there has been any research. I was basing my comment on past experience. It has been many years that I have used pine for my reptiles, but I never experienced any problems. I suppose there is some argument here on the subject. The long term effects of pine on captive reptiles should be considered.
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but...not all of them?
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Life is a terminal illness...eventually they all die, but most of them from unnatural causes.
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