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Re: Perentie! From the Northern Territory Australia
More stunning photography of Australia's largest and undoubtedly most beautiful Goanna. I truly hope these majestic creatures never make it into the private pet trade, they should be admired in the wild where they belong.
Juvenile Perentie (Varanus giganteus) - Kata Tjuta National Park, NT
Re: Perentie! From the Northern Territory Australia
Those are some stunners, quite the long neck as well. It would be quite the site to see one of these in the wild. Thanks for sharing with us Wayne!
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Re: Perentie! From the Northern Territory Australia
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Originally Posted by Mikoh4792
Great shots, truly amazing. What about this particular species makes it your favorite?
How do you feel about other species of reptiles that are already in the private pet trade?
A. These are the Italian sports car of Varanidae. Sleek, powerful, extremely fast and stunning paint job.
B. My feelings on the pet trade are a double edge sword. It's great that it sparks interest in animals, However the sheer numbers of neglected exotic species be it through misunderstanding husbandry, negligence, financial burdens or refusal to accept that reptiles do not enjoy repeated molestation and being locked in boxes their whole (often abbreviated) lives tugs at my guts.
Now, my biggest reason for hoping that Perentie lizards never become pets, how in the heck could ANYONE provide for this!
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Re: Perentie! From the Northern Territory Australia
Even in the land where they come from... a highly specialised animal that very few people keep.
You need a fairly large outdoor set up to keep these high octane beast in tip top shape. Most people that keep them are in the northern states or where the animals are endemic from to ease the burden of heating up a backyard.
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Re: Perentie! From the Northern Territory Australia
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Originally Posted by red ink
Even in the land where they come from... a highly specialised animal that very few people keep.
You need a fairly large outdoor set up to keep these high octane beast in tip top shape. Most people that keep them are in the northern states or where the animals are endemic from to ease the burden of heating up a backyard.
If I lived there, I would just be outside every day.
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Re: Perentie! From the Northern Territory Australia
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Originally Posted by infernalis
If I lived there, I would just be outside every day.
I was outside everyday in nearly 40C day hoping to find one for a week in Central Oz a couple of weeks ago (went to see the rock- freaking awesome)... sadly no such luck for me.
The only one I found was a V. gouldii on the road on the way to the airport going home, seconds before it got run over by a speeding taxi (the wanker didn't even show brake lights).
I manage to grab some pics just before my eyes teared up and watch it do a death roll and die.
The only goanna I see for the whole trip and I watched it go under the wheels within a metre of it (was trying to usher it off the road) - bit traumatised from it really.
I can't even bring myself to look at the pics since
A sad sour note on what was a great holiday... another reason why I don't really like textile wearing mammalian bi-pedals.
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Re: Perentie! From the Northern Territory Australia
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Originally Posted by infernalis
A. These are the Italian sports car of Varanidae. Sleek, powerful, extremely fast and stunning paint job.
B. My feelings on the pet trade are a double edge sword. It's great that it sparks interest in animals, However the sheer numbers of neglected exotic species be it through misunderstanding husbandry, negligence, financial burdens or refusal to accept that reptiles do not enjoy repeated molestation and being locked in boxes their whole (often abbreviated) lives tugs at my guts.
Now, my biggest reason for hoping that Perentie lizards never become pets, how in the heck could ANYONE provide for this!
Thanks for sharing the pic's Wayne, fantastic animals,l have to agree about them not being available to the pet trade,it wont stop them though,you've just got to look at youtube,some rep forum pictures to see what goes on with some peoples unintended animal cruelty through either ignorance or total lack of care about the species kept needs(intended),grossly overweight snakes or monitors kept in unsuitable containers(small plastic boxs,draw type (vivs) for large pythons)morph crazys $$££ that take no account of any genetic long term damage,make no mistake l love the hobby and have been around for donkeys years but unless we as hobbyist don't start taking more responsibility with what we keep as pets,providing basic husbandry needs we're heading for long term decline
Re: Perentie! From the Northern Territory Australia
What amazing animals. I in fact do feel they should be available to the pet trade. Not because I feel it is right to hold them captive, but because we must do everything we can to establish captive breeding populations of as many species as possible, in the private sector as well as in zoos. Otherwise almost every species on this planet is in danger of extinction.
Re: Perentie! From the Northern Territory Australia
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Originally Posted by Pirarucu
What amazing animals. I in fact do feel they should be available to the pet trade. Not because I feel it is right to hold them captive, but because we must do everything we can to establish captive breeding populations of as many species as possible, in the private sector as well as in zoos. Otherwise almost every species on this planet is in danger of extinction.
That whole point is pointless in itself. Zoological specimens are genetically documented, once they hit the private sector, all bets are off as to genetic quality of stock.
They key is to stop taking away the animal's natural habitats, and stop removing the animals from their habitats.
Stand up and protect the world heritage lands, don't steal her fauna.
It does us all no good to buy exotic animals when Australia is in conflict over dredging and dumping on the barrier reef, Africa is in a mercury smog from gold mining, Fukushima is still spewing radioactive water into the ocean, there is still BP sludge on the ocean floor in the gulf of Mexico, poachers are taking elephant tusks, rhino horns and shark fins at a sickening rate....
I'm sorry but the animals of the world deserve a fate greater than life in a box.......
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Re: Perentie! From the Northern Territory Australia
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Originally Posted by infernalis
That whole point is pointless in itself. Zoological specimens are genetically documented, once they hit the private sector, all bets are off as to genetic quality of stock.
They key is to stop taking away the animal's natural habitats, and stop removing the animals from their habitats.
Stand up and protect the world heritage lands, don't steal her fauna.
It does us all no good to buy exotic animals when Australia is in conflict over dredging and dumping on the barrier reef, Africa is in a mercury smog from gold mining, Fukushima is still spewing radioactive water into the ocean, there is still BP sludge on the ocean floor in the gulf of Mexico, poachers are taking elephant tusks, rhino horns and shark fins at a sickening rate....
I'm sorry but the animals of the world deserve a fate greater than life in a box.......
Not necessarily. There is nothing stopping people from keeping track of the genetics of their animals. Regardless, even if every zoo was keeping Perenties, we don't have enough zoos to keep a sustainable population in captivity. On top of that, look at how few zoos are successful when it comes to monitors at all, let alone with Perenties. We could maintain only a few in zoos alone. We need the private sector. At the moment who is more successful when it comes to monitor husbandry? The small (but growing) group of private keepers that know what they're doing, or zoos? Just look at big cats in captivity, zoos depend on the private sector to maintain a large enough captive population. Just like reptile owners, the majority of large cat keepers keep them well. There are bad eggs, sure, but there are some pretty deplorable zoos out there too. I'm not saying that everyone should have a Perentie, but good, knowledgeable keepers should be able to get them. Do they belong in the wild? Absolutely. But since the wild is increasingly being polluted and consumed by mankind's "progress" as you pointed out, what future remains for animals in the wild? We must by all means necessary end the destruction of the natural world, but until we can achieve that, should we leave wild populations alone until it's too late?
Let's use a hypothetical example. Let's say V. olivaceus are still plentiful, but they will be in trouble soon. Would you establish a captive population, or do nothing while their habitat was destroyed, hoping you could stop it eventually?
I'm sorry Wayne. I have a tremendous amount of respect for you and everything you do, but on this we must agree to disagree.
Re: Perentie! From the Northern Territory Australia
Here is my point, what if the destiny of the human race is that we all have to spend eternity living in closet sized cells, our children are destined to live in closet size cells, their children, and so on...
I'd rather be text in a history book.
PLEASE...... I don't want to argue ethics of captivity.
I will give one example of MANY.
The San Francisco garter snake, protected and illegal to harvest / keep.
Is that stopping people? NO, are people hybridizing the species to get breeding stock? YES.
Are the offspring of these abominations genetically pure? NO
If we could release them, where would they go? The habitat is almost gone.
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