JCP or GTP?

ErikBush97 · 10-01-13, 09:29 PM

Hi, there. I'd consider myself an intermediate keeper and I'd like to add a new addition.
I've been into GTP's and JCP's since I've heard about 'em. I like GTP's a lot more than JCP's, to be honest with you. However, I'd like to know how hard they are to care for. I don't want anything that's going to take tons and tons of energy. I am perfectly happy with putting in effort but I don't wanna break my back on this, because I have a lot going on and I don't wanna take bad care of my (maybe) new pet. I'm also going to checkout a few care sheets, bit for now, I'd like to hear your opinions and info.

Mikoh4792 · 10-01-13, 09:33 PM

I'd say jungles take a little more to take care of than GTP's. They require a bit more space and hotter temperatures. Not only that they eat bigger food.

So far my GTP has been the snake that I've had to put the least effort into. If you have a "real" snake cage and not a screen top enclosure, you won't have problems with humidity. In fact you might have trouble trying to keep the humidity down. I've had to drill a lot of holes in my setup to keep the humidity less than 65% without misting.

Although GTP's are more sensitive, so they are less forgiving of husbandry mistakes. But once you have husbandry down they are very rewarding to keep.

ErikBush97 · 10-01-13, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikoh4792

I'd say jungles take a little more to take care of than GTP's. They require a bit more space and hotter temperatures. Not only that they eat bigger food.

So far my GTP has been the snake that I've had to put the least effort into. If you have a "real" snake cage and not a screen top enclosure, you won't have problems with humidity. In fact you might have trouble trying to keep the humidity down. I've had to drill a lot of holes in my setup to keep the humidity less than 65% without misting.

I absolutely despise mesh tops FISH tanks used for snakes. Which race is considered most tame?

Mikoh4792 · 10-01-13, 09:37 PM

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I absolutely despise mesh tops FISH tanks used for snakes. Which race is considered most tame?

Well I don't have the personal experience to compare all the different races. But Biaks and Yapen definitely come to mind as the more aggressive races. But even then that has mostly to do with w.c. vs c.b.b, husbandry and individual personality.

I've handled cyclops/lerehs, sorongs, misools...etc and they were all very docile with no inclination to strike. I'd say you increase your chances of getting a tame one if you buy a captive bred and just talk to the breeder first.

ErikBush97 · 10-01-13, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikoh4792

Well I don't have the personal experience to compare all the different races. But Biaks and Yapen definitely come to mind as the more aggressive races. But even then that has mostly to do with w.c. vs c.b.b, husbandry and individual personality.

I've handled cyclops/lerehs, sorongs, misools...etc and they were all very docile with no inclination to strike. I'd say you increase your chances of getting a tame one if you buy a captive bred and just talk to the breeder first.

How do you control your temps and what type of heating are you using? Sorry... Flooding you with questions lol don't some Thermostats have a night drop feature?

Mikoh4792 · 10-01-13, 09:50 PM

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How do you control your temps and what type of heating are you using? Sorry... Flooding you with questions lol don't some Thermostats have a night drop feature?

I have the night to myself...I'll be here all night lol.

For which snakes? For my chondros I use a radiant heat panel hooked up to a thermostat. The probe goes on the highest perch set to 85F. From that spot the temperatures taper off. At night I give them a night drop of mid to high 70's.

for my carpets I use anything. I have one in a large enclosure for it's size so I use both RHP's and heat mats to create small basking spots, just small enough to let the cage cool down towards the end.

In the smaller enclosures I use either only belly heat or only overhead heat.

edit: Yes the herpstat gives you a night drop feature. Although I think the lower end models do not, you'd have to check with the site.

Mikoh4792 · 10-01-13, 10:19 PM

I use a 3x2x2 from PVCcages.com. Great enclosures for chondros. They normally ship out one week after ordering which is probably the quickest turn around time compared to other caging manufacturers.

Depending on whether you use paper or substrate, the size of your water bowl...etc you may have to drill some holes like I did using a power drill. Those cages are crazy good at keeping in humidity and heat....maybe too good.

You can also order a radiant heat panel from the site that they actually screw onto the cage for you.

ErikBush97 · 10-01-13, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikoh4792

I use a 3x2x2 from PVCcages.com. Great enclosures for chondros. They normally ship out one week after ordering which is probably the quickest turn around time compared to other caging manufacturers.

Depending on whether you use paper or substrate, the size of your water bowl...etc you may have to drill some holes like I did using a power drill. Those cages are crazy good at keeping in humidity and heat....maybe too good.

You can also order a radiant heat panel from the site that they actually screw onto the cage for you.

Still a little iffy. One thing that is a little bothersome is the fact that all the care sheets, and most people say that they shouldn't be handled frequently. Interaction is one of the best things about owning snakes, imo. :/

Mikoh4792 · 10-01-13, 10:29 PM

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Still a little iffy. One thing that is a little bothersome is the fact that all the care sheets, and most people say that they shouldn't be handled frequently. Interaction is one of the best things about owning snakes, imo. :/

Well people keep snakes for different reasons. Green tree pythons can be handled, but they are not the type to handle as frequently as other snakes. I personally don't handle mine unless I need to for maintenance. I like to appreciate them from afar and enjoy observing them in their habitat instead of interacting with them.

ErikBush97 · 10-01-13, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikoh4792

Well people keep snakes for different reasons. Green tree pythons can be handled, but they are not the type to handle as frequently as other snakes. I personally don't handle mine unless I need to for maintenance. I like to appreciate them from afar and enjoy observing them in their habitat instead of interacting with them.

I still think it'd be awesome to have and observe one, but they're like the most beautiful snakes ever. It's like having a Ferrari, and looking at it in your garage.. But not driving it lol
Anyways, I'm still thinking about it. Still amazing animals. I did get to hold a few and they're super awesome! Should Hide spaces be offered to them, being primarily Aboreal?

Mikoh4792 · 10-01-13, 10:38 PM

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I still think it'd be awesome to have and observe one, but they're like the most beautiful snakes ever. It's like having a Ferrari, and looking at it in your garage.. But not driving it lol
Anyways, I'm still thinking about it. Still amazing animals. I did get to hold a few and they're super awesome! Should Hide spaces be offered to them, being primarily Aboreal?

I think the majority of keepers just put perches and a few plants in their setups. I haven't seen a GTP enclosure with an actual hide.

Terranaut · 10-02-13, 04:40 AM

Well no offence to Mikoh here but I certainly would not base my judgement with only one opinion. Both snakes have teir ups and downs.
Imho a couple things mentioned here as negatives are not.
Bigger snake (jcp) and bigger prey is not a negative and one just goes hand in hand with the other. Mine also do not eat most of the winter so costs drop right there. Also yes a bigger snake needs a bigger home but this to just means more snakey coolness to look at.
Carpets are some of the hardiest/easiest snakes you can keep. No real humidity needs and typicaly good feeders. Other than nippy when young I see no negatives with JCP's. I am biased as these are my favorite but I thought you should have both opinions.

ErikBush97 · 10-02-13, 04:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Terranaut

Well no offence to Mikoh here but I certainly would not base my judgement with only one opinion. Both snakes have teir ups and downs.
Imho a couple things mentioned here as negatives are not.
Bigger snake (jcp) and bigger prey is not a negative and one just goes hand in hand with the other. Mine also do not eat most of the winter so costs drop right there. Also yes a bigger snake needs a bigger home but this to just means more snakey coolness to look at.
Carpets are some of the hardiest/easiest snakes you can keep. No real humidity needs and typicaly good feeders. Other than nippy when young I see no negatives with JCP's. I am biased as these are my favorite but I thought you should have both opinions.

I love both, and I've handled both as adults comfortably. Eh... Hard decision. Maybe I'll just wait until I have enough money + knowledge and get both

Joking. But it's definitely not going to be an easy decision, if I did end up buying either one of these snakes.

Lankyrob · 10-02-13, 04:46 AM

Having owned both i would go for a jcp in future.

The GTP was beautiful but not handleable due to their fragility, was finicky when it came to feeding at times and you bzrely saw it move.

The JCP was nippy even at four years old but was VERY active, easy to handle, ate like a champ.

Even tho i would like to own a GTP again a carpet would be my choice if i could only have one or the other.

Terranaut · 10-02-13, 05:06 AM

Long , lean and handlable. Let this tempt you a bit.