The yellow rat snake that may enjoy some human contact.

[Ourobouros]

I think it's fair to say most/if not all animals experience fear, which is technically an emotion... And it's useful in self preservation (generally speaking... We all know what deer in headlights refers to but there will always be exceptions to the rule). Of course I'm no scientist but it is something to at least consider...

And my apologies if I'm repeating something already mentioned.. Saw the multitude of grumpy responses and didn't feel like risking having to sort through 8 pages of that.. I'll take a proverbial back hand for being lazy and sticking my nose in here after the fact because I felt like it.

[smy_749]

Originally Posted by Ourobouros

I think it's fair to say most/if not all animals experience fear, which is technically an emotion... And it's useful in self preservation (generally speaking... We all know what deer in headlights refers to but there will always be exceptions to the rule). Of course I'm no scientist but it is something to at least consider...

And my apologies if I'm repeating something already mentioned.. Saw the multitude of grumpy responses and didn't feel like risking having to sort through 8 pages of that.. I'll take a proverbial back hand for being lazy and sticking my nose in here after the fact because I felt like it.

Explain the difference between fear, and genetically programmed to flee from potential threats. Even plants can curl up or close when predators touch them...But again, theres no way to prove that all animals feel 'fear' like we do. Maybe its easier to prove in dogs or cats, chimps, who make it clear, but reptiles don't show facial expressions or anything...

[Ourobouros]

Originally Posted by smy_749

Explain the difference between fear, and genetically programmed to flee from potential threats. Even plants can curl up or close when predators touch them...But again, theres no way to prove that all animals feel 'fear' like we do. Maybe its easier to prove in dog but what hence cats, chimps, who make it clear, but reptiles don't show facial expressions or anything...

Symptoms of anxiety suits fear quite well. Chemical reactions induced by changes in the environment are what spurn "emotions" and it's really not the same as inadvertent physical reactions like the reflex to pull your hand away from a hot stove though it's all governed by the brain. It's not about whether or not we think an animal fears dying like we do (generalized) but what changes in the body when facing a potential threat. You can feel fear without thinking about it. The fact that it's in the genes doesn't negate the argument that an animal can feel fear, or any other primitive emotion, like aggression.

The science of Fear | Laboratory News

Factoring Fear: What Scares Us and Why: Scientific American

Reptile Emotions - Texas A&M Veterinary Medicine & Biomedical Sciences

[Ourobouros]

And please don't bring up plants because they lack the physiology to be relevant here

[DOBERMAN]

Yes Aaron , Wikipedia doesn't work the way you have described. It is not trash. That is what was said years ago when they first came out and were finding their way. It's actually now a very concise summarization of information. Go do independent research on the topic "confirmation bias" with various different "reputable" sources and you will find that the wording and structure of the definition in Wikipedia actually is probably the most up to date, relevant and practical definition. As is with most topics on that site. Nowadays it is the "experts" that contribute and write up on the topics found within Wikipedia. Irony that you are exhibiting the symptoms of the exact topic that I have referenced

[Mikoh4792]

Originally Posted by DOBERMAN

Yes Aaron , Wikipedia doesn't work the way you have described. It is not trash. That is what was said years ago when they first came out and were finding their way. It's actually now a very concise summarization of information. Go do independent research on the topic "confirmation bias" with various different "reputable" sources and you will find that the wording and structure of the definition in Wikipedia actually is probably the most up to date, relevant and practical definition. As is with most topics on that site. Nowadays it is the "experts" that contribute and write up on the topics found within Wikipedia. Irony that you are exhibiting the symptoms of the exact topic that I have referenced

The only thing that is ironic is that you are falsely accusing people of suffering from confirmation bias. I don't care whether or not your source for the definition of the word is valid. The fact is, I never actually took a side in this debate and yet you wrote an essay about me suffering from confirmation bias. Therefore your argument for using Wikipedia as a source has no merit to begin with.

You just like to judge and label people to justify your arguments. Most of those times your judgements are wrong.

[Mikoh4792]

Originally Posted by DOBERMAN

Yes Aaron , Wikipedia doesn't work the way you have described. It is not trash. That is what was said years ago when they first came out and were finding their way. It's actually now a very concise summarization of information.

Just to add on this, are you sure you know what the word concise means? If you've ever read a wikipedia article you'd know it's far from concise.

[Ourobouros]

Originally Posted by mikoh4792

Just to add on this, are you sure you know what the word concise means? If you've ever read a wikipedia article you'd it's far from concise.

I'm not agreeing with what you were accused of but Wikipedia has actually been very useful and very accurate for my own research. If there is missing information or anything in an article that cannot be validated with citations there will be an advisory warning the reader...

However it is always good practice to review multiple resources for accuracy.

[Mikoh4792]

Originally Posted by Ourobouros

I'm not agreeing with what you were accused of but Wikipedia has actually been very useful and very accurate for my own research. If there is missing information or anything in an article that cannot be validated with citations there will be an advisory warning the reader...

However it is always good practice to review multiple resources for accuracy.

I know but I never doubted wikipedia as a good source of information. I'm just negating Doberman's assertion that the articles are concise. I think he's just trying to sound smart but I guess he slipped up on that.

[DOBERMAN]

Originally Posted by mikoh4792

I know but I never doubted wikipedia as a good source of information. I'm just negating Doberman's assertion that the articles are concise. I think he's just trying to sound smart but I guess he slipped up on that.

Do you know what concise is?

Brief compact understandable information yet containing all the important and relevant details.

That's what wikipedia offers and it is really good at it.
So you don't have to spend a year reading 10 different textbooks on the topic to come to the same assessment.

Seriously what is your major malfunction???
I am not replying to you anymore. I can't bear your intellectual insecurities.

[Ourobouros]

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[MDT]

Dear God...please make the madness stop.....

[smy_749]

Originally Posted by MDT

Dear God...please make the madness stop.....

Lol, once wikipedia became a primary source of information, and people start linking to random sh$% they found typing it in google, I'm all done. Theres no competing with people who personify animals, they live in unicorn land.

[Amadeus]

Originally Posted by smy_749

Lol, once wikipedia became a primary source of information, and people start linking to random sh$% they found typing it in google, I'm all done. Theres no competing with people who personify animals, they live in unicorn land.

el oh el....

[Ourobouros]

Originally Posted by smy_749

Lol, once wikipedia became a primary source of information, and people start linking to random sh$% they found typing it in google, I'm all done. Theres no competing with people who personify animals, they live in unicorn land.