I DONT want that snake........

[shaunyboy]

Originally Posted by millertime89

Neuro issues: I do, to an extent, understand why people breed snakes that have the potential for neuro problems. The demand of most morphs that have these issues is HIGH and as a result the price and profit for creating them is high. As long as a snake with neuro problems is sold as such then I really don't see a problem with it. Furthermore, euthanizing a snake with extreme neuro issues should be done. The snake can then be fed to another snake that eats snakes (king cobra, king snake, etc.).

imo with the jaguar its not so much down to money being made,as jags are roughly only £150

it may have been when the morph first came out but not now

imo the jag gene gets used most for its colour and pattern mutation creating unusual and very good looking snakes (usually its high clean yellow colouring)

re feeding snakes to snakes
the black headed python will NOT eat euthinised snakes,they will only take live

granted its not as quick as euthinising a snake with one quick hard blow,causing full cranial destruction before the brain can register any kind of pain

but it is a natural way of eating for the bhp,so imo theres nothing morally wrong with it

it also clears up the dilemma of,what to do with below average looking unwanted carpets flooding the market.imo its got to the point theres that many,you can't give them away to find a home for them.breeding for me HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MONEY...!!

for me its about creating high quality,wonderfull looking snakes or new combinations of them.

i'm pretty sure most folk keep their snakes because of how they look,also to study and watch behavoir patterns etc.but imo very few people keep snakes they find ugly,just to study their behavoiral patterns etc.

what i'm trying to say is,that alot of people are quick to shoot morph breeders down in flames,saying that this or that should not be done ,just to make pretty snakes.yet imo the first thing that draws someone to looking at,then keeping snakes,is how good the snake looks in the first place

so think of just how many thousands of jaguar related snakes were produced and are now being kept,that would NOT have been produced,had there not been a demand for them,so i preffer to think in terms of how many NEW lifes,will be created by the discovery of a new morph.

ALL THESE THOUSANDS OF SNAKES WOULD NEVER EXIST WITHOUT IT.....!!!

the only other answer would be to stop breeding morph's,imo that would be wrong,as we would never see the potential,the morph has for producing top class snakes,and furthering our knowledge on snake genetics

some people may disagree with me on ethical beliefs.but imo theres NOTHING unethical about feeding a snake its NATURAL prey,they are preditors after all

for the record
i feed all my snakes frozen thawed,but would feed live at a last resort,before assist or force feeding

i feel keeping a blackheaded python for unwanted hatclings is perfectly acceptable and natural

cheers shaun

[Rogue628]

Good points and well said.

[jaleely]

oh i'm not against morphs or people who want to make pretty snakes,i just don't like that it seems to have gone too far in a few cases. I don't like the waste.....but ...*SIGH* if you point out it's not a waste to feed the unwanted snakes to a snake eating snake, i guess there's the answer.
I'm not really against it. Though i though an "AWW" out there for the little doomed cuties! Aww

I really don't know if i could do it. I mean, i could feed ugly live lizards, and ugly frogs, and nasty mice (i couldn't do a live rat, i think, since i had those as pets as kid...and mice are just dirty stupid lil things lol)

but...but....it's like feeding unwanted puppies to a bigger dog! *lmao* i wike baby snakies!

It's totally one of those things i just really want to pretend i don't know about.

ah, well. See, here's the problem. I just LIKE snakes...so now i'm like "hmm black headed pythons sound COOL" *lmao* but i couldn't feed the snakes to it i think. i'm pretty hardcore with some things sometimes, but i dunno about this one! IT's way easier when the animal is already dead, or just ugly *lmao*

[exwizard]

Originally Posted by Terranaut

I won't ever own a hot or a snake that doesn't like handling. My snakes are pets and not trophys or objects just to be looked at through glass. For those who like hots...thats fine just not my bag. I won't own a retic or anything huge. A 90-100lb snake is my max for sure.

This is my approach exactly with one exception. If a burm or retic has been handled frequently when little, they're not so bad when they get bigger but thats a big "IF".

Black Betty is probably as big as we're going to get since Laura rules out all giants as well.

[theapexgerman]

i like all snakes except anything gets over 9 foot not for me my girl would kill me she tolerates my coral snake

[BarelyBreathing]

I don't want a ball python. I had them, and they bored me out of my mind. Corns are pretty up there in snakes I don't want. I didn't used to want garters but then I saw a picture of Wayne's erythristic flame, and WOW! So let's take garters off the list of snakes I don't want. Hmmm.... I don't want all burm morphs except the green. I don't want most morphs of retics... I don't want carpet pythons unless it's a Bredli.... I can do without rosy boas.

[shaunyboy]

Originally Posted by BarelyBreathing

I don't want carpet pythons unless it's a Bredli.....

Nick Mutton of the usa has some great bredl bloodlines going on mate

cheers shaun

[BarelyBreathing]

Yeah. I know where I'm getting my pair. I was just offered them, but I had to have a new well dug, so I'm keeping my money in my pocket for a little while. It almost completely depleted my savings.

[UwabamiReptiles]

I think the only snake I wouldn't get would be an anaconda. Big, nasty, and attitude. Would just be a little much for me.

[aj099]

i am different actually i would prefer only bigger snake`s but i much prefer boa`s over python`s anyday nothin against python`s boa`s are just my thing

and i would not want to own anything small definetly no garter`s,corn`s,milk snake`s or
simliar snake`s i like them but i would not want to own anything under 8 foot
and i will be getting a conda this week!

[alessia55]

I also don't want milk snakes, rosy boas, sand boas... I'm going to make it easier by saying I'm only intrigued to have ball pythons and hogg island boas as of right now. I like pretty much all snakes, but I'd only be interested in keeping those two personally. I like lazier, chunkier snakes in general

[Ridge Runner_20]

Originally Posted by alessia55

I also don't want milk snakes, rosy boas, sand boas... I'm going to make it easier by saying I'm only intrigued to have ball pythons and hogg island boas as of right now. I like pretty much all snakes, but I'd only be interested in keeping those two personally. I like lazier, chunkier snakes in general

They ARE pretty awesome, aren't they? *tease, tease, tease*



RR_20 (Mike)

[stephanbakir]

I told myself I'd never own hots again... that went out the window because I have a short list I want to own. Staying away from anything Neurotoxic for allergy reasons though.

[alessia55]

Originally Posted by Ridge Runner_20

They ARE pretty awesome, aren't they? *tease, tease, tease*



RR_20 (Mike)

YEAH, which reminds me... you should update that thread of yours with new pics

[stephanbakir]

Shaun, not sure if you've tried this but with the king cobra we used to own, he refused dead too, and since he ate so rarely the only way to get enough into him was to feed a corn 2-3 mice then kill it and force feed a few more, we would put a live corn in his enclosure and the second feed response kicked in we would remove it and place the dead corn in his enclosure and wiggle it on hemostats, worked for us.