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12-28-04, 11:03 PM
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#106
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Location: Chattanooga, TN
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Correct, I said this particular beast should die. Not the entire species.
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12-29-04, 12:21 AM
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#107
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Join Date: Jul-2004
Location: Mitchell, Ontario
Age: 37
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Is it ok when dolphins kill sharks??
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From http://www.wiu.edu/users/emp102/Dolp..._longevity.htm
Certain large shark species are predators of bottle-nose dolphins. Dolphins remains are often found in the stomachs of tiger sharks, dusky sharks, and bull sharks.... Dolphins can gang up on a shark and kill it by ramming the shark's gills with their snout.
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Very similar situation I'd say.
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12-29-04, 05:19 PM
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#108
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Join Date: Dec-2003
Location: Portugal
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I guess some of you are missing the point. We are not saying those people have no right of self-protection(wich includes killing for survival). We have been discussing if it was really necessary to search for that croc and kill it since the harm was already done.
A croc is a force of nature, just like an earthquake, we have to learn how to live with it and tolerate it if we want to co-exist with nature in this planet. Blind Vengeance is what moves us sometimes, though we don't admit it. It makes us feel a little better. I believe the family of those people that died in Phuket wish they could kill the sea...but it's impossible, and dumb. The croc is like the sea, a simple force of nature that we must learn to respect.
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12-29-04, 05:21 PM
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#109
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Join Date: Aug-2004
Location: United States
Age: 35
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Very well put Jimmy, though i believe we can not change what they already have in there minds even though theres no excuse for murdering an animal simply for revenge.
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12-29-04, 05:25 PM
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#110
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Join Date: Mar-2002
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1 death, sure I mean it could have been an accident, the croc took an opportunity and acted like he should by getting his meal. This croc didn't kill ONE person. So apparently they DID do as you suggest Jimmy, they left it alone. The first time.
The second time, and so on, it got too be too much. I would have killed it myself had it eaten four people. The "harm" was done you say, but it wasnt done! It continued being done over and over again. Not just one person. That's the difference in this case IMHO.
Marisa
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12-29-04, 05:32 PM
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#111
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Join Date: Dec-2003
Location: Portugal
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If you prove to me that the croc searched for humans IN A SPECIFIC WAY, i'll hand it to you. If you prove that this croc woudn't take goats, gazelles, impalas or another animal, but instead had a true desire to eat humans, then i'll consider it self-protection. But let's face it: i'll believe 1000 times first on human stupidity than in a picky crocodile.
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12-29-04, 05:37 PM
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#112
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Join Date: Mar-2002
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It IS human stupidity but he didn't take ONE person!
So let's say he grabs someone. Fine. It sucks but the people leave him alone and chalk it up to tragedy and being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Then he took another.
And another.
Then he took TWO more.
It took FIVE people before they killed him. You still don't think that's a reasonable number of people that he killed before it was time to do something about it?
I am certaintly NOT saying he decided only to eat people. But apparently he missed five gazelles and took five people instead. How many people would he have to grab before it would be o.k. to do something about it? LOL 15? 25?
I am also not saying death was the best option, but for these people who might not have resources quickly enough, and who were scared, that's the way they solved it. They aren't living in North America where institutions might be able to help within a couple days.
Five people died. They had a choice to make. They made it. I for one will not judge them for it.
Marisa
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12-29-04, 05:41 PM
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#113
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Join Date: Aug-2004
Location: United States
Age: 35
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You could move the alligator to a reserve spot which is where they all belong since humans keep invading there land. You get upset when an animal kills a person, then as humans murder millions of animals daily its ok?
We murder millions of them daily- its ok
They murder 3 of us- its wrong
We all have the desire to live, animals and humans alike, though we usually do not make in meaning of situations.
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12-29-04, 05:42 PM
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#114
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Join Date: Mar-2002
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How many "reserve" spots do you think are left? They are full. If they weren't things like crocs and burms wouldn't be hard to get rid of.
Large old crocs can be difficult to relocate as well. One this size would need a large teritory if it's own. Who is footing this bill? They had to make a choice.
Marisa
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12-29-04, 05:44 PM
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#115
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Join Date: Aug-2004
Location: United States
Age: 35
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There are many wild life protection lakes all over America and Canada, though humans murder the animal because it will cost less, people are pathetic.
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12-29-04, 05:47 PM
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#116
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Join Date: Mar-2002
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"We murder millions of them daily- its ok
They murder 3 of us- its wrong"
If those three were your mother brother and sister, and we decided NOT to remove the croc and you still had to get your drinking water down there, your attitude would change.
Sitting comfy behind our computers is a LOT different than being faced with a VERY difficult decision like these people were. No one saying it doesn't suck he had to die. But the reality is reserves cost money, moving him alove costs money and manpower which costs money. Trapping him alive costs money. How many more family members would you sacrifice for this one croc?
Again, they had a choice to make in a bad situation. I will not judge them for it from behind my computer where I get my water from the tap.
I don't think any of you guys are wrong. I just think these people shouldn't be judged as harshly as they are. It's not like anyone here stepped up to help them before it killed five people.
Marisa
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12-29-04, 05:51 PM
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#117
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Join Date: Aug-2004
Location: United States
Age: 35
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If it was me who was killed by the croc i would want nothing done, if a fmaily member was killed I doubt two wrongs would make a right in any situation.
This has already taken place, talking about it for days isnt going to change anything.
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12-29-04, 05:51 PM
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#118
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Join Date: Dec-2003
Location: Portugal
Age: 50
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Ok, i'm surprised this is a herp site and nobody noticed one major thing. One flaw that proves there's more to the story than it was told. This is no lion we are talking about, it's a croc. The time between meals for an adult croc is quite long. That means the animal had started killing months ago...and now they did something about it?!?
I believe they skinned the croc to make money. Since this was a particular big one, it was hard to keep a low profile about it. So the story of a man-killer became convenient. Sounds likely?
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12-29-04, 05:54 PM
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#119
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Join Date: Mar-2002
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You have no facts is the real problem.
Two wrongs don't make a right? LOL That has NOTHING to do with it killing FIVE people!
Wow you are extremely difficult to have a conversation with. It's like you think nature reserves are all free sitting empty with plenty of room for 15 foot aggresive crocs and that native people have all the means in the world to deal with them in your way. I can really see these poor villagers being able to locate a nature reserve in canada and then pay for it to be caught, moved and settled there. Yeah. O.k.
Wow.
I think sometimes peoples cushy feelings for animals makes them pretend they wouldn't shove a hot poker through a crocs eye if it had a hold of their arm. I'd kill it with my bare hands if need be. Period.
Marisa
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12-29-04, 05:55 PM
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#120
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Join Date: Mar-2002
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Jimmy! You said it wasn't a proven man eater, and they should have left it alone. Then you say this:
"and now they did something about it?!? "
LOL! They did exactly what YOU said they should at first! Left it alone!
I am done here as you guys are even confusing me and I wasn't even in these peoples poor situation. 
Marisa
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