Boa & Python Breeding together - Page 8

Goopers5 · 08-17-04, 02:44 PM

I don't know, from what I have heard, the python was only with other pythons when it hatched and I don't believe if there were any males in with her, they would be old enough to fertilizer her, so it can't be them... and she hasn't been with any other pythons... very interesting stuff, i have since found a lot of articles on Parthenogenesis, here's another one I found that is interesting...

http://www.albinoburmese.com/literature.htm

There is a link there to an article on Parthenogenesis

madison.s · 08-17-04, 03:54 PM

Is this ever going to end,man you keep saying that whats done is done. So move on,if you gave(sold) them all then whats the problem. Its over . She was not pregant by the Boa so thats it then.

CHRISANDBOIDS14 · 08-17-04, 07:15 PM

Lizlady: She never said that she took away the eggs to incubate them. She said that when she took them away when they were hatching, she gave the dead ones back to the mother, because the mother seemed "uneasy", if that word works. Also, how can you accuse her of wanting to be famous? They have been living together for 9 years, and some people are misinformed and do do so. Do you know how many people actually house different species of snakes together? And NOT for breeding. In a way, you are also accusing everybody that comes here for help of trying to be famous in your first post.

Goopers5:

My only other post in this thread was congratulating another member on what he said in reply to what you said your boyfriend knew how to care for snakes. I appologize, but in a way I do have to agree that he shouldnt have been housing them together. I encourage you to remain a member of this site and ignore what people tell you. I think most everybody jumped the point of all the times you said that you HAVE done research, nobody seemed to take that into account. Good luck in your search for the answer to this "happening"!

Chokeonsmoke: I must agree that your theory does make sense and seems somewhat fesable(sp?). However, would it be possible that a python would catch pheremones from a boa? And what kind of strength/influence, if any, would pheremones have in snakes?

C.

CHRISANDBOIDS14 · 08-17-04, 07:21 PM

Sorry for the double post here, three others came up while I was typing.

Lizlady: What right do you have to tell her(yes, its NOT a man, like you keep saying), to stop talking about this, its not your thread anyways, your being fairly rude. Also, how would you know that they didnt actually breed together? Im not saying they did(and I dont think they did, no boa influence in the babies), but you cant rule anything out yet.

Goopers5: Wow, you always have new links from research! Keep searching, you might find the key in your searches!

C.

BoidKeeper · 08-17-04, 08:43 PM

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mate once then like a a rabbit absorb eggs therefore the male has nothing to do with it ?

Snakes do not reabsorb eggs, snake reabsorb follicles. Also corns routinely double clutch with out having been re-introduced to a male. It is the male she bred with however that is responsible for the clutch.
Cheers,
Trevor

Goopers5 · 08-17-04, 10:51 PM

Well, good news, we found someone who wants to do the blood tests! I just have to send them the blood... (anyone know how to send snake blood through the mail he he he

)

Liz lady: Okay, if you're SO interested in snakes, and SO interested in their wellbeing and their lives, why are you asking why I am still writing? I don't even own any myself per say (they live in my house, but they are not "mine") and I am completely amazed by what this one particular snake has accomplished! If I were you, and so upset by our "treatment" of these animals that have lived for 9 YEARS without having any diseases and have grown and prospered, I would still want to know how this amazing thing happened. I guess you are more concerned with criticizing the mistakes that were made in the past than actually realizing, we acknowledge those mistakes, have taken steps to rectify them and have apologized. I am sorry that you are so unhappy, but, if we wanted to be famous, let me ask you a quick question, do you know my name, do you even know what country I live in? If you can answer either of those questions, either you have talked to the one person I talked to off line, or you are a computer hacker that has somehow hacked in to mine and found out. Cause I have not adverstised any of my personal information. Kind of important to advertise at least your name if you want to be famous right? maybe?

Anyways, the reason I do keep posting is because there seems to be interest ( I am extremely interested

), if you were interested in snakes, not putting down people, you might want to know too... but doesn't seem the case... so , thanks AGAIN for your help, I do realize at this point, as I have stated in previous posts, she is not pregnant by the boa, that was our initial reaction to a snake laying eggs that was caged with a male Boa for 9 years, not Parthenogenesis which I don't remember you contributing to the posts either....

Okay so, as soon as I figure out how to mail this blood, or find a local place (hopefully

) I will let you guys know what happens.

If you are like certain members of this forum, let me know and I will not keep you updated. Or if you like, I can update you by email address as some people have asked privately.

Thanks again for the support and understanding of what turns out to be a majority of this site!

Goopers5 · 08-17-04, 11:12 PM

Sorry, that is my last tangent on someone not being nice, that is not at all why I came to this site, and I apologize to anyone that had to read through anything that didn't have to do with what I am trying to figure out.

madison.s · 08-18-04, 09:50 AM

Why send the blood in for DNA testing if you know now that she is not pregnant by the boa? it makes no difference now, if you are not trying to prove that they were the boas then really it does not matter what the blood says. right. by the way i am very much into snakes and lizards,dogs and cats to but i am not going to praise you for trying to breed a dog to a cat either. You did not incubated the eggs right(face it) that was the problem with them so why now put them in anymore pain by taking there blood for no reason. they are nothing special about them except you did not incubated them right.

Darkest · 08-18-04, 09:52 AM

Goopers5, I too would like to find out what u find out too. My email is Darkestrealm40@aol.com

Goopers5 · 08-18-04, 09:59 AM

Darkest: Sure, I will let you know! I'll ad ya to the list

LizLady, if it is a parthenogenic snake, that's pretty special to me anyway... We are going to see if they are clones of the mother... THanks for your comments.

rwg · 08-18-04, 10:24 AM

Goopers5: I sent you my email by PM (didn't want to publish it). Please keep me updated.

rg

jmkhets · 08-18-04, 10:30 AM

even if the snakes were hybrids keep in mind the babies would not be able to reproduce...since ALL hybrids are sterile.A little trick from god to keep us honest

BoidKeeper · 08-18-04, 10:38 AM

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since ALL hybrids are sterile.

Where do you get your information from? I'd like to see you quote that fact out of book at least.
Trevor

CHRISANDBOIDS14 · 08-18-04, 10:39 AM

What if they are parthogenic, would those offspring be breedable? And if they are all sterile, then how do jungle corn/kings breed?

Lizlady: If you are soooooooo anoyed by this.......why keep replying to it?!?!?! DUH! And how is it special that "she did not incubate them right"? She didnt incubate them, she left them with the mother! And that is not why they are special, they are special for another reason.

C.

-Edit: Basically same question as Boidkeeper. Goopers5, I too, will send you a PM with my email adress in it. Thanks.

Goopers5 · 08-18-04, 12:14 PM

You're right, I did say that they were python/boa and then I learned about parthenogenesis, as I acknowledged before why don't you go back and read?

What I said was, We took her out, got the eggs that were "dead" (crushed and broken) and cleaned off the ones that were okay. During this process, she freaked, so we put the "good" eggs that didn't crack back in and put her in with them... So I think again, you need to go back and read, I didn't edit anything but whatever

I went back and read what I wrote, it could be taken the wrong way on what we put back in the cage with the Python, sorry it made sense to me, but I could see it being taken the other way too...

Anyways, I have contacted people, and I need to find out all the babies sex (I guess I have to get them probed) if they are all female, then they will take them in for testing to see if they are clones of the mother, so I am on my way!