Savannah Monitor Redemption - Page 7

nepoez · 03-28-13, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by murrindindi

Hi, they must definitely CAN distinguish between people!

I want to believe it, and it SEEMs to be true from my observations, but really hard to believe lol. How did you come to the conclusion?

nepoez · 03-28-13, 12:56 PM

Here's another observation, first silk worm he had a hard time eating as he had to fling it around to rid the soil he go on the worm, second one, started of the same but he took the worm on the basking log where it's clean to swipe the soil off.. third silk worm, he tripod to get it haha(he's only a hatchling)... then instead of dirtying the worm on the soil, he took the worm straight to the basking spot on the log and ate it much quicker.

On the side note. I've read that baby savs should be fed as much as they want, but I am not sure. He already ate some crix today and just ignores all crix after. That should indicate that he's full, but now comes the silks and he goes for 3 of them and he looks bloated... I'm kind of worried that I over fed him I hope he doesn't get hurt from eating too much... Any ideas?

smy_749 · 03-28-13, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by nepoez

Here's another observation, first silk worm he had a hard time eating as he had to fling it around to rid the soil he go on the worm, second one, started of the same but he took the worm on the basking log where it's clean to swipe the soil off.. third silk worm, he tripod to get it haha(he's only a hatchling)... then instead of dirtying the worm on the soil, he took the worm straight to the basking spot on the log and ate it much quicker.

On the side note. I've read that baby savs should be fed as much as they want, but I am not sure. He already ate some crix today and just ignores all crix after. That should indicate that he's full, but now comes the silks and he goes for 3 of them and he looks bloated... I'm kind of worried that I over fed him I hope he doesn't get hurt from eating too much... Any ideas?

Monitors are the smartest of all lizards. They learn to know who is providing the food. Someone will chime in with regards to knowing by sight who you, but I'm definitely sure they can recognize you by taste.

murrindindi · 03-28-13, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by nepoez

I want to believe it, and it SEEMs to be true from my observations, but really hard to believe lol. How did you come to the conclusion?

I would think there are many, many keepers the world over who are aware their monitors recognise them by sight (obviously also taste smell), and there are a number of published articles which confirm this (though I can`t think of a specific title offhand).
These animals are extremely sight oriented and aware of the world around them!
Have you seen the "Lizard Kings" film?

murrindindi · 03-28-13, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by nepoez

Here's another observation, first silk worm he had a hard time eating as he had to fling it around to rid the soil he go on the worm, second one, started of the same but he took the worm on the basking log where it's clean to swipe the soil off.. third silk worm, he tripod to get it haha(he's only a hatchling)... then instead of dirtying the worm on the soil, he took the worm straight to the basking spot on the log and ate it much quicker.

On the side note. I've read that baby savs should be fed as much as they want, but I am not sure. He already ate some crix today and just ignores all crix after. That should indicate that he's full, but now comes the silks and he goes for 3 of them and he looks bloated... I'm kind of worried that I over fed him I hope he doesn't get hurt from eating too much... Any ideas?

Hi, you can and should feed as much as the monitor wants to eat at this stage, all the energy goes on growth, their metabolism is at it`s highest, so providing the conditions are supportive there should be no problems with obesity. As they reach adulthood and growth slows down you may need to regulate the total ammount fed.

smy_749 · 03-28-13, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by murrindindi

I would think there are many, many keepers the world over who are aware their monitors recognise them by sight (obviously also taste smell), and there are a number of published articles which confirm this (though I can`t think of a specific title offhand).
These animals are extremely sight oriented and aware of the world around them!
Have you seen the "Lizard Kings" film?

That is a very good film. You can watch it on youtube.

nepoez · 03-28-13, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by murrindindi

I would think there are many, many keepers the world over who are aware their monitors recognise them by sight (obviously also taste smell), and there are a number of published articles which confirm this (though I can`t think of a specific title offhand).
These animals are extremely sight oriented and aware of the world around them!
Have you seen the "Lizard Kings" film?

LOL yeah, before I got my sav, during my research and stuff I read tonnes of stuff and also watched tonnes of youtube videos(many sad ones), but one if the ones I watched was Lizard Kings, about monitors, I forgot the name of that particular monitor they talked about in the dessert, it was big and it ate this big snake by hunting it down.. it was a nice one!

I also saw their studies on sav's being able to press buttons to get food haha.. That sav, if I remember correctly looks almost like he's ready to die tho..

nepoez · 03-28-13, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by murrindindi

Hi, you can and should feed as much as the monitor wants to eat at this stage, all the energy goes on growth, their metabolism is at it`s highest, so providing the conditions are supportive there should be no problems with obesity. As they reach adulthood and growth slows down you may need to regulate the total ammount fed.

So even though his stomach looks really bloated after eating lots of food I should keep feeding? And I do believe the env is supporting him just fine now, he's taking some pretty big crap every day and really active.

smy_749 · 03-28-13, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by nepoez

LOL yeah, before I got my sav, during my research and stuff I read tonnes of stuff and also watched tonnes of youtube videos(many sad ones), but one if the ones I watched was Lizard Kings, about monitors, I forgot the name of that particular monitor they talked about in the dessert, it was big and it ate this big snake by hunting it down.. it was a nice one!

I also saw their studies on sav's being able to press buttons to get food haha.. That sav, if I remember correctly looks almost like he's ready to die tho..

It was a perentie, the largest species in Australia

DiscoPat · 03-29-13, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by murrindindi

I would think there are many, many keepers the world over who are aware their monitors recognise them by sight (obviously also taste smell), and there are a number of published articles which confirm this (though I can`t think of a specific title offhand).
These animals are extremely sight oriented and aware of the world around them!
Have you seen the "Lizard Kings" film?

I can vouch for this. Steve will get very protective over his space if he sees someone he doesn't recognize at all, he gets very puffed up and whippy. If he sees me or my fiance he will allow us to pet him and get close to him without any trouble. If it is around feeding time he will walk up towards the glass if he sees one of us.

DeadlyDesires · 03-29-13, 03:54 PM

Just so you know, i voted that they would suffer because i dont approve of your cage.

nepoez · 03-29-13, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DeadlyDesires

Just so you know, i voted that they would suffer because i dont approve of your cage.

Please tell me why. thx

DeadlyDesires · 03-29-13, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by nepoez

Please tell me why. thx

i have already told you why i dont like it, its poorly built and wont last very long, you have duct tape on it I just dont approve of it, but its my opinion, i also dont approve of the permanent cage you wanna have them in either its not big enough but they aren't my monitors so.

nepoez · 03-29-13, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DeadlyDesires

i have already told you why i dont like it, its poorly built and wont last very long, you have duct tape on it I just dont approve of it, but its my opinion, i also dont approve of the permanent cage you wanna have them in either its not big enough but they aren't my monitors so.

I have wrote that I'll be selling one of them when they out grow the current cage. So that there will only be 1 monitor in the 8x4x4 cage. With that said I have 2 questions.

1.) For the current cage, while they are still so small please tell me exactly what the problem is. They won't be in there as soon as they reach 10 inches. currently I have already stated the temps, and deep enough substrate for their size which they burrow in, and humidity is like 60-70%. So I know there's duct tape but could you tell me how exactly they will suffer? It almost seems you are set on how it doesn't look good, but you are not pointing out the actual problems that will cause them to suffer. If you are interested in helping please tell me, I'm not here to argue but for the facts.

2.) With 1 monitor in the new cage which will be built better, also with correct temps and humidity, but will have 2 ft substrate instead.. do you still think that monitor will suffer?

Again, your opinion matters, that's why I'm on here. But I need to know the real reasons beyond esthetics. I'm not one of those people who go on here and when negative feedback comes, I get angry and stick to my way, that's why I have changed from using sand(which I thought was good) and converted to the environment that the experts here recommend. I listened to them because they gave good reasons and I don't want to kill more animals. I will listen to you too if you are logical and give me real reasons that matters to the monitors(not to the human eyes).

Thanks!

DeadlyDesires · 03-29-13, 07:00 PM

if your going to sell one of them why not just do it now? what is your issue with keeping 2 when you know you can't house them?

and i dont know what your temps are actually, all i know is what you are saying. take a picture of the basking spot where the IR gun is and you can see good temps. take pictures of the humidity gauges inside the cage and temp gauges the only thing im getting from you is numbers, i dont see proof just what you are "saying" and again the cage looks poorly constructed so that is my reason behind my statement, if you can prove to me that it holds these temps/heat and humidity well i will change my statement but until then i want pictures like this.....

this is my hot side... i keep my cage on the warmer side because he still isn't 100% healthy yet from when i got him, thats a diff story for another time..

this is my cool side. is usually isn't this hot, but its a hot day today.

this is his basking spot, i wanna be clear that I almost burned my finger from having it on the rock too long, not sure how it doesn't burn him but he lays there.

and this is my little tree hugger.