I DONT want that snake........

[DavethePython]

While very new to snakes , I think I will stick with the Ball Python , not really into the giants . I want something I can handle with relative ease. Although both my Pythons are still small , I still never forget they are not domesticated animals as we know them , and can inflict injury with ease if they so choose to. So Giants are out for sure .

[millertime89]

I'm going to touch on few things here.

Venomous snakes that have their fangs ripped out WILL eventually grow them back. The correct way to do it (and still frowned on by MANY keepers) is to have the venom glands surgically removed. I know of only one company that does it in what I feel is the right way and uses anesthetic.

Neuro issues: I do, to an extent, understand why people breed snakes that have the potential for neuro problems. The demand of most morphs that have these issues is HIGH and as a result the price and profit for creating them is high. As long as a snake with neuro problems is sold as such then I really don't see a problem with it. Furthermore, euthanizing a snake with extreme neuro issues should be done. The snake can then be fed to another snake that eats snakes (king cobra, king snake, etc.), or to another snake eating animal. There's nothing wrong with that as those animals need to eat too. Normal baby retics often go this way, and although it is sad, the demand isn't high enough to justify keeping more than a few, especially when a clutch can contain over 50 offspring.

A couple other species I don't want. Woma and black headed pythons, viper boas and most other chunky ground boas.

finally, can someone tell me what a BHP is? Black headed python? Didn't know they were cannibalistic.

[red ink]

BHP = Black head python Aspidites melanocehpalus

General reptile eater not just snakes

I have very strong opinions on venomoids (I'm not trying to cause problems here but these are just my opinions), if people can't keep hots for what they are.... hots! Then they really have no business promoting their mutalation just so they can "safely" have them. If you can't stand the heat get the heck out of the kitchen.... you don't go and turn around and turn the fire off just so you can play!

[marvelfreak]

Originally Posted by millertime89

I'm going to touch on few things here.

Venomous snakes that have their fangs ripped out WILL eventually grow them back. The correct way to do it (and still frowned on by MANY keepers) is to have the venom glands surgically removed. I know of only one company that does it in what I feel is the right way and uses anesthetic.

finally, can someone tell me what a BHP is? Black headed python? Didn't know they were cannibalistic.

Even when the venom gland is remove it still can grow back.



Some cannibalistic snakes. Green Anacondas, Cobras, King snakes, and BHP. I know their more , but that's all i can think of right now.


Kimberly how can you not like Anacondas they're so cute and cuddly. lol

[millertime89]

Originally Posted by red ink

BHP = Black head python Aspidites melanocehpalus

General reptile eater not just snakes

I have very strong opinions on venomoids (I'm not trying to cause problems here but these are just my opinions), if people can't keep hots for what they are.... hots! Then they really have no business promoting their mutalation just so they can "safely" have them. If you can't stand the heat get the heck out of the kitchen.... you don't go and turn around and turn the fire off just so you can play!

you won't see too many here that disagree, I personally am on the fence.

Originally Posted by marvelfreak

Even when the venom gland is remove it still can grow back.

Some cannibalistic snakes. Green Anacondas, Cobras, King snakes, and BHP. I know their more , but that's all i can think of right now.

Kimberly how can you not like Anacondas they're so cute and cuddly. lol

They shouldn't when done right.
I didn't know Greens were, learn something new every day
I think they're kind of chunky and ugly, only giants I'll own are burms, 'tics, and MAYBE an a'rock.

[marvelfreak]

Greens Anaconda will eat just about anything.

[millertime89]

THAT does not surprise me, lol.

[shaunyboy]

Originally Posted by red ink

BHP = Black head python Aspidites melanocehpalus

General reptile eater not just snakes

I have very strong opinions on venomoids (I'm not trying to cause problems here but these are just my opinions), if people can't keep hots for what they are.... hots! Then they really have no business promoting their mutalation just so they can "safely" have them. If you can't stand the heat get the heck out of the kitchen.... you don't go and turn around and turn the fire off just so you can play!

that is a great point and very well put mate

cheers shaun

[jaleely]

Originally Posted by shaunyboy

owning a snake eating snake and feeding it snakes.....

is no different than feeding rodents to a non cannibilistic snake

or feeding eggs to an egg eating snake

the truth on my part is,feeding unwanted hatchlings to a cannibilistic snake is not cruel,it makes sense and allows me to justify it to myself (just being honest)

Actually you make a good point I hadn't really thought of. And i love the honesty..totally refreshing!
OKay, so i cede that snakes eating snake isn't really any different than snakes eating rodents...in that they're eating meat, etc. But....snakes are so CUTE! I think it would just be too hard for me to do. I don't feed live either, so it's not really something i've thought about much except to say "poor snake!" in my head.
Oh and I hunt and fish, and have a few trophies on my dad's wall, so it's not that part of it. If i had a snake that refused everything but live, I would feed it live (probably even thumped on the head live so the snake wouldn't be scratched or hurt)...but that's a different story. Anyway...if I were breeding a snake because i loved that snake type i just don't think i could feed it's babies to anything.
hmm I still don't know think i could breed something if i knew the risk of problems was high.

Originally Posted by shaunyboy

the carpet market is saturated with bellow average unwanted carpets,why put more out there,when there is a snake who's natural diet is other snakes ?

AGreed! by why breed them at all when you *know* a certain amount of the offspring is going to be inferior and HAVE to be food? We're probably going to have to agree to disagree here *lol*
I guess this is why though

Originally Posted by shaunyboy

re jaguar neuro issues
its only 5 to 10% of jags that have neuro's,to me thats an acceptable risk(just being honest)

I'd have to think about it. It is a low risk. I guess i'd have to say i'm thinking more of the BP morphs that are out there. In fact, i'm probably mostly thinking of that.

Originally Posted by shaunyboy

i respect your opinion,although it differs from mine pal,but i don't think theres anything i can say that makes it benificial or that will change your mind

for example
i am horrified at the thought of someone devenomising snakes and find it totally UNATURAL

I actually agree that this shouldn't happen. But, i would by lying if a part of me didn't think that it would be cool to have a hot that wasn't hot. It'd also be nice to have my dog debarked, but i haven't done that either *lol* That one really horrifies people sometimes, but as long as it doesn't hurt the animal to not have that particular item that was taken away...i don't know. I guess i like to think i disagree with it in principle but i'm also pretty selfish and might like the convenience. Honesty! Dirty Honesty *lol*

Originally Posted by shaunyboy

re ball pythons and morphs
the fancy ball morphs and carpet morphs imo have done wonders for the hobby,its brought lots of new snake keepers to the hobby.so imo its wrong to label it " a waste "

Hmm i don't know that i actually have thought about, or really care if a lot of people join the hobby. Frankly, many people who come into the pet store where i work don't seem to act like they take care of, or even deserve such a wonderful type of animal. Totally my opinion obviously, and clearly someone would think the same of me if they didn't like my points of view etc.

I guess if i think about it, it makes sense though. There would be more people who support the hobby, making it easier to get items and stuff since it would be more popular and more widespread. I think it's kind of a shame that it takes a genetic mutation to get people interested, but oh well i guess.

I'm kinda weird, because i don't think i'm against cross breeds, but i just hate all the stigma and "wrong" seeming reasons that people promote morphs.
So i mean i'm kind of okay with messing around with breeding.
I still don't think i could breed snakes knowing that i'd have to feed offspring to something else because i *knew* that some would be messed up

I'm kinda rambling now. To bring it on home i'll say that i wouldn't purposely own a morph of any kind with a genetic disorder...like i mean purchase one, but i would take care of one.

[shaunyboy]

Originally Posted by jaleely

Actually you make a good point I hadn't really thought of. And i love the honesty..totally refreshing!
OKay, so i cede that snakes eating snake isn't really any different than snakes eating rodents...in that they're eating meat, etc. But....snakes are so CUTE! I think it would just be too hard for me to do. I don't feed live either, so it's not really something i've thought about much except to say "poor snake!" in my head.
Oh and I hunt and fish, and have a few trophies on my dad's wall, so it's not that part of it. If i had a snake that refused everything but live, I would feed it live (probably even thumped on the head live so the snake wouldn't be scratched or hurt)...but that's a different story. Anyway...if I were breeding a snake because i loved that snake type i just don't think i could feed it's babies to anything.
hmm I still don't know think i could breed something if i knew the risk of problems was high.
AGreed! by why breed them at all when you *know* a certain amount of the offspring is going to be inferior and HAVE to be food? We're probably going to have to agree to disagree here *lol*
I guess this is why though I'd have to think about it. It is a low risk. I guess i'd have to say i'm thinking more of the BP morphs that are out there. In fact, i'm probably mostly thinking of that.

I actually agree that this shouldn't happen. But, i would by lying if a part of me didn't think that it would be cool to have a hot that wasn't hot. It'd also be nice to have my dog debarked, but i haven't done that either *lol* That one really horrifies people sometimes, but as long as it doesn't hurt the animal to not have that particular item that was taken away...i don't know. I guess i like to think i disagree with it in principle but i'm also pretty selfish and might like the convenience. Honesty! Dirty Honesty *lol*

Hmm i don't know that i actually have thought about, or really care if a lot of people join the hobby. Frankly, many people who come into the pet store where i work don't seem to act like they take care of, or even deserve such a wonderful type of animal. Totally my opinion obviously, and clearly someone would think the same of me if they didn't like my points of view etc.

I guess if i think about it, it makes sense though. There would be more people who support the hobby, making it easier to get items and stuff since it would be more popular and more widespread. I think it's kind of a shame that it takes a genetic mutation to get people interested, but oh well i guess.

I'm kinda weird, because i don't think i'm against cross breeds, but i just hate all the stigma and "wrong" seeming reasons that people promote morphs.
So i mean i'm kind of okay with messing around with breeding.
I still don't think i could breed snakes knowing that i'd have to feed offspring to something else because i *knew* that some would be messed up

I'm kinda rambling now. To bring it on home i'll say that i wouldn't purposely own a morph of any kind with a genetic disorder...like i mean purchase one, but i would take care of one.

our views are not so different really pal

re why breed in the first place
being honest,i breed to try and get the high quality examples i want for my own collection.it would give me more satisfaction than just going out and buying it from a top breeder.

my main problem was all the waste produced in unwanted bellow average examples

a black headed python would solve that dilemma,as i would be providing part of its natural diet,that being other reptiles

i know no one wants to picture a cute wee lizard/snake being eaten by a bhp,but that is exactly what happens in the wild

cheers shaun

[KORBIN5895]

Originally Posted by shaunyboy

it would be the coastal carmel morph if we're talking carpets

toffee's are ball pythons and i'm not sure if you get toffe corns ?

cheers shaun

I was thinking of BP morons.

[KORBIN5895]

Originally Posted by jaleely

AGreed! by why breed them at all when you *know* a certain amount of the offspring is going to be inferior and HAVE to be food? We're probably going to have to agree to disagree here *lol*

Actually most thing bred have a certain amount of offspring that in nature it wouldn't survive and would end up as food for something. We commonly call them runts.

[Terranaut]

I won't ever own a hot or a snake that doesn't like handling. My snakes are pets and not trophys or objects just to be looked at through glass. For those who like hots...thats fine just not my bag. I won't own a retic or anything huge. A 90-100lb snake is my max for sure. My boas may get there but no bigger. I also won't own a corn. Not really into corns.
Thats my list. Anything else I might own someday.

[Strutter769]

It's already noted that I don't want anything to do with any venomous animals, but IMO the most beautiful snake on Mother Earth has to be the Gaboon Viper!

[Strutter769]

Originally Posted by strutter769

It's already noted that I don't want anything to do with any venomous animals, but IMO the most beautiful snake on Mother Earth has to be the Gaboon Viper!

Maybe that's why I like the Maddy's so much. Kinda similar, no?