Variety Pack of Boas.

[BOAS_N_PYTHONS]

nevermind

[Manitoban Herps]

$$$$$$$$$

[marisa]

Tony stop saying things that make no sense.

Two IP'S cannot be identical. Which means two people posting off one computer. The you say it's a friend at your house. Fine.

The this friend who is "at your house" is replying to your posts asking if you own a farm, a zoo, if you own pythons, etc. Questions a person in your home would obviously not have to ask.

Just stop Tony. You are digging your hole deep. We don't need to prove he doesn't exsist. You already have.

I didn't jump in anyones corner. If Matt hadn't posted here, I sure as heck would have the MINUTE I found out you reply to your own posts under another name. That's ALL I care about in this thread, period. Do NOT accuse me of doing nothing but following him. That's so rude I cannot even begin to tell you how much respect I have lost for you because you cannot simply come clean for being dishonest.

And what is "power of the mod" LMAO...we can delete posts, remove posts, and that's it. What power??!?!?! LOL I think I am either being left out of some super cool powers the mods have, or you are simply feeding into some odd theory that mods here have any power beyond post managment. LOL!

Yeah my head is swelling with the thought of pushing the "move" and "delete" buttons all day! Wow I am king of the woooorld!!!

Marisa

[Asian Jon]

Originally posted by BOAS_N_PYTHONS
All he has is the statement 2 names 1 IP 1 host, whatever that all means....

That's not all he has...

[BigDan]

Hey Tony

I had nothing against you Tony and as far as I was concerned I beleived you had or were getting all the animals you were posting, I thought you may have been a little premature in posting pics and putting people on lists for babies that was all. But I guess since we are back to finger pointing and smoke and mirrors here it goes.

First off Dave did not breed the Surinams he sold me nor did he have anything to do with breeding them at my home. Though there were a few times I heard noises from the basement only to see a pimped out Honda prelude with neon lights everywhere speed away in the wee hours of the morning. Dave you sneeky little devil you is there something you are not telling me. But if someone asked me where I bought the parents, and many did I told them. I also put in a few jabs as too how much I paid for them. You know I am just kidding Dave (not really LOL)

In regards to the corals you would have never got them if it was not for me because most likely MR Dwayne Dutka would have taken your money and you would have ended up with a couple of phone books in your box or he would have them shipped in a box full of holes and no heat packs via Greyhound or something. You would have ended up with a couple of frozen coralsicles instead of healthy animals. I held the animals for you after you picked them out, I shipped them for you properly, I made sure they were healthy and feeding etc etc.
He did **** all except take your money and basically washed his hands of everything. I did not receive a cent from him for doing that!!!
Basically I had your back and would have kicked in his door to get your animals for you if he had tried to rip you off. Mr. Dwayne was famous for various similar situations.

I indeed do have that male Surinam I recevied from you and he did not father the 2 litters Dave's male did. Why would I give you credit. For what? He has made some attempts at breeding but never sealed the deal. A monkey can feed a boa and keep its cage clean, I am actually thinking about getting one just to help out from time to time.

As to the young female I beleive when she gave birth I let people know exactly what happened and how it happened. She was housed with a male for a 2 week period during my move and became gravid. After posting pics of the birth I even mentioned what happened and said that it was not something I wanted to happen. I was very worried about her as she did not feed at all during being gravid. I have always said one should wait until they are older, but **** happens.

Every animal you recevied from me was in perfect health and has done great for you I have gone out of my way to ship other peoples animals for you along with mine on more than one occasion just to save you money. I snapped billions of pics for you of the animals when you needed every angle while others told you to pound sand and could not be bothered to take that many pics.

Basically what I am getting at Tony is that I went over and above what anyone else would have done for you. Yet you would refuse to tell someone you bought an animal from me just in case that someone might contact me over you 3 years down the road. That is what bothered me as I did consider us friends. I am sure if things went badly eveyone would have known.

My reference to C.M. was that he was famous for not telling the truth. Even in deals that went well you never got the whole story. I am sure most of Canada knows the little story about us but there are also many more stories that remain untold. All of them deal with his bullshit. I really do not care if people beleive me over him all I know is the other people directly involved in that matter know exactly what happened. I also am not the one who sold my whole collection just for shits and giggles. Makes you wonder hey Tony.

What I was getting at with my take on the whole thing is why even put yourself into that position where people are questioning you.

You have posted pics of animals you did not have (no biggie alot of people do it), you have said you produced a number of litters of boas last year yet no pics. Since you are such a shutterbug that really suprises me as the litter you did have you posted pics with hourly updates. Why even say you produced animals if you did not. Will it give you more credibility? You have posted the pic of the snow and people asked you for updated pics and nothing. You realize if you posted one updated pic of that animal it would have shut everyone up and they would all be eating crow right now. Yet no pic, that animal is at your home from what yuo told me and that is why I told you to post a pic as it would shut everyone up.

What people are trying to say is why make false claims when you do not have to. No one has ever said anything about the your collection other than it was awesome.

I have helped you many times in terms of shipping methods, where to buy animals, (given you the truth about some of the big names out there as many of them leave alot to be desired in terms of customer service) Answered your many questions on genetics, breeding, feeding blah blah blah.

But still apparently to get the heat off yourself I was offered up as a possible distraction. You basically turned everything aorund and put it back on me. I am not the one who is all James Bond with what I have in my collection and what I produced. All my pics are in my gallery for all to see and many people have been to my home and viewed my animals in person. Not to mention 7 or 8 shows I did this year where I had alot of them on display for all to see.


So with that said I think you are kind of full of **** and have been playing some little game for what ever reason just to make yourself look like something you are not. That is all I can think by what has gone on here.

It just does not make sense to me.

I am sorry for being hard on you but you put yourself in this position not me. If we can get past this and kiss and make up fine, but if not then I guess thats that and we will stay broken up.

Ba humbug

Dan the grinch.

I need a triple Jack and eggnog after writing this essay.

[BOAS_N_PYTHONS]

nevermind

[Matt_K]

I'll do my best to reply to all of this as best I can..

Originally posted by BOAS_N_PYTHONS
MODS:

Come on grow up already, give it a rest - do you really think I am going to sit by and take this. Funny thing is its takes all of you to verbally attack me, how weak is that. Those elementary years you all grew up in left you all some scars I see. Just give a call to all those bullies that tortured you all and meet them behind the BFI bin behind the school where your tortured lives left those negative memories.

First of all Tony, Let me assure you.. None of the MOD's 'teamed' up on anyone here.. And quite honestly, I was suprised that other MOD's decided to voice their opinions on the issue, As all too often we're judged when we do so.

I'd really appreciate it if you pointed out to us where we 'verbally attacked' you. I've read each post by the mod's twice now, and have yet to see where you were attacked verbally by any of the moderators.

Speaking of verbal attacks.. That's very mature of you saying that the Moderators were 'tortured' by bullies in school.. Especially coming from someone who doesn't know one bit about any of the Mod's who posted in this thread.. Very big of you Tony..

End of story to that, if you gotta bring it up again or have another mod do it how weak are you all, that the only entertainment in your lives is behind a computer at my expense.

That coming from the person who MSN's and Emails everyone he knows, EVERY thread that he creates and replies to on the forums.. Oh, and this isn't heresay Tony, this is straight from your 'friends'..

The PM thing you request I find useless, because you love the copy / paste thing and I would not be surprized it would wind up here, so I just went to that point by going public, if you see more into that, that is another issue of being paranoid and not reading what I actually write here.

I've always stood by my word that whatever is said in Private, Stays in Private.. Unless I find that it's an issue that the other Moderators need to deal with or be made aware of. If you decided to take your 'issues' up with me in private, they would have remained there, but you've decided to do otherwise, this is fine by me also..

I apologized already, I even made my previous reply to you rather nuetral and you come back for another fight, why I see no reason. At least I have to defend myself because you all love cuting a wound open when its trying to heel.

Again Tony, I do not know what you're reading, but I was NOT and have NOT been fighting with you.. I was curious as to the where abouts of your second snow and the Motley's that you had in your signature.. I would have loved to see pictures of them, I asked if you had pictures of them and you took offence to that.. Unfortunatly, that's your problem and this is what you have turned it into..

I pointed out alot in my last reply, guess I rubbed people wrong way, but who cares I can' t be the only one being respectful when your all trying so hard to be children on a war path.

Sorry Tony, You can't rub me any way, Im sorry to dissapoint you.. Myself as well as a few others are still trying to figure out what exactly it was that you apoligized for..

Do me a favor MATT K erase the other name if its so much of an issue just erase it, it has not been online since do that for me erase it.

Unfortunatly the Moderators don't have the ability to 'erase' names, all we can do is Ban it..

So 2 names are on one IP, I gave you my answer you don' t believe yet you can prove it otherwise all you can say is 2 names same IP.

Yes, I can prove that they're on the same IP and Host, but I won't post your personal information on a public forum, That's not my style.. However, I will ask you this.. Do all your friends makes their screen names in bold, much like yourself??? Oh, and correct me if I'm wrong Tony, but don't you have a snake named Romeo????????

get real MATT K the moment you brought it up is cause your mod responsibility was over ridden by human emotion, and being a mod and carrying the title has fooled you that you can tell the difference.

Tell the difference of what exactly??? Human emotion?? Hmmm, Last I checked, I asked either you or Romeo to answer me as to why they were on the same IP and Romeo was claiming to know nothing about you, but you said he was at your house.. Well, If I had a friend at my house create a name and post from it, I'd expect them to not play stupid about my collection of animals.. I still don't see where 'human emotion' came into play..

Lots of people state you sound harsh and many I bet told you to consider retiring as a mod. I don' t really care either way. Maybe I don' t understand your way of being funny or your jokes, but maybe you don' t understand people beyond the computer screen.

I have been confronted on this issue by a whopping TWO people.. And after speaking with both of them on the situation, I think they walked away realizing that chances are I AM joking when they think im being harsh. As far as retiring, I didn't know volunteering my time to a friend, was a career..

You ask to PM or phone you why, why, why.......do we need to go see a couples therapist, come on MATT K let it go, I am trying why can' t you.

I've answered this already, but since you asked it twice, i'll answer it twice.. I just figured it would have been a little more personal to deal with our 'issues' privatly, rather than on the forums..

I think i've just about covered everything now.. If I haven't I apologize. Im sure as soon as I hit 'submit reply' there's going to be a whole new page to go over and read. Hopefully nothing i'll have to reply to..

-Matt

[Linds]

I would also just like to add, that the moderation team is simply doing their job. We haven't gotten more involved than we have needed to be, much less 'ganged up' or 'verbally abused' anyone. There is absolutely no need to be going off on us making false accusations and assumptions, as Matt said, you know nothing of us personally, and in agreement with Marisa, we don't have all this power. In fact, it's a truly thankless job. Turning your sights on us because you are finding yourself in an undesirable situation will only worsen the situation.

Take care.

[Nett]

Tony ...

I have read this whole thread and to be honest its about time someone called BS .......I dont know you from a hole in the ground but it seems to me ( and I may be wrong) but every time I see you post pics of your animals and post in general (what is it 1500 or so as you have proudly stated ).....You seem to think this should give you respect and some sort of even playing field ....... I am sorry but spending your time posting away on a forum things you have taken out of books or from breeders doesnt count as your knowledge....... and wont earn you any respect ........You say that you do unto others as they do unto you ....... Well you sure have shown that with your last few posts...... real classy ........

My problem with you and all this is the fact that all you had to say in your posts is " look at what I am getting" not "look at what I got " ....... And are you really taking names of people who want animals from you that you havent even gotten into Canada yet let alone bred????????? Come on .........I dont even take names until I have gravid animals or eggs out and I have been doing this for 15 yrs ......... You say its pride in your collection but is it really ??????? Some of these animals from what I hear you dont even have in your collection ...So how is this pride in your collection ?????? It seems to me thats its more in the pride of how much money you have or it could be the same ol thing ....... Trying to make yourself out to be something your not ..........Many people do this ....And yes in the start I fell into the pit of " look at me " but no more ....I let my animals and my expierence speak for itself ........ It takes years to make a reputation for yourself and you have really started off on the wrong foot by taking the wrong road with slamming some of the best breeders in the west ........ This has not only slapped them in the face but has made their breeder friends feel the same ....... not only have you not given credit where credit is more then due you have gone out of your way not to ......... Rob is one of the very few breeders in Canada that has bred Emeralds on a steady basis ........Which by the way is NOT easy ...... Yet you wont give him credit for breeding stunning Emeralds that you had to have .... Dan has one of the biggest if not the biggest collection of beautiful boas out there .....His work and commiment to his collection has made it easier for hobbiest such as yourself have some morphs that in most liklyhood you would not have .... Most people would be proud to have their stock in their collection yet you seem to want everyone to think that you have done this on your own .......You have not said you bred them but you are only one hit of the key buttons from that in my opinion....... Giving credit to breeders is not expected from us and as you have stated some dont even want it .......But after years of breeding its nice to see that the people you sell healthy anaimals to are appreciative of all the hard work you have put into those animals.......we dont think of it as free advertising we look at it as atleast this person thinks we are making this industry a better place by selling healthy CBB animals instead peddling WC ones.........

I really dont think you are a bad person I just think you got caught up in the "look at me" BS ....... I feel that you have made this bed and it was only a matter of time before you were caught ....... So now you have been caught in several lies and BS yet you still defend it and then rip into others who caught you instead of doing the mature thing and own up to your mistakes and try to change ........ The only way you are going to save face if you can after the last few posts is to try and mend bridges instead of tearing them further apart with your assults .........Take it from a person who has been here for 15 plus years and will be here for 15 plus more ........ There is no need to lie and twist the truth most will except you and what you have maybe even give you a lil respect when you earn it if your straight up with them and try not to make yourself out to be something your not .........

[dave68]

Wow, where am I??? This is almost better than my daytime soaps....Allison

[Manitoban Herps]

What I don't understand how every knows he is lieing? How do you know he is?

FYI - I have seen him tell plenty of people who he has bought his boas of of before.

[BOAS_N_PYTHONS]

nevermind

[marisa]

"What she meant was these boa morphs will show competitors something and will start some issues of jealousy, and she was right, you can brush it off if you want but take out emotion from your post and it won' t be as long as you wrote it or anyone else who thought to make me look bad."

That sealed the deal for me. You think this is jealousy? HAHAHA

I am so done here. I'll be back if things get totally out of hand, otherwise, he just gave me all the explantion I need. :|

Marisa

[Manitoban Herps]

http://www.ssnakess.com/forums/showt...threadid=59575

Looks like he mentioned your name there and he never had too.

[CHRISANDBOIDS14]

Tony:

Ok, I appologize for "bringin up the issues again"......."bashing you on the head when you get up" or whatever, but I dont think I did that. I wasnt even bringing back up an issue. I was directing my comment, obviously, to the two people who posted before me, in your favor, who I believed had missed some of the facts in this thread. Now, dont go accusing me of bringing up issues again, because I am simply trying to clarrify the situation between you and I.

As I stated in my previous reply to this thread, I commend you for ALWAYS being very respectful on this forum, and having very good "etiquete"(Sp?) in your past 1500 or whatever posts.

IMO, I have been very respectful to people, and of my past 1300 or so post, have RARELY thrown out my negative opinion about something(unless ofcourse, the care or something similar of an animal). I have, maybe TWICE, of my 1300 posts, made a personal movement not in favor of someone. Ok, im not positive on any of the numbers I've thrown out, but Tony, im sure some would agree that I have be a good member of this site. Its been.......a little over a year now.

Tony, there are some statements/facts about things you have done that I do dissagree on, but I was not trying to fuel the fire for the rest of the members. Maybe I did it in an improper fashion, but I just wanted to tell some people that there were things that I(and seemingly many others) found a little......*off*.....about your actions, that I thought they should know about.

Again Tony, I NEVER meant to fuel the fire, and did not mean to throw out a feeling of personal attack on you.

Tony, here is a little thing about me:

All through Elementry, and through Junior High(I am currently in grade 9), I have been bullied like you wouldnt believe. Im not a tiny wussy guy or anything either. I dont go down without a fight, and my attitude toward things in life has changed. I understand fully how you feel, and dissagree with the way some of the other members have responded/spoken to you in this thread. Whenever I see someone being left out/beaten on, I try to include them. At school, a couple weeks ago, I was walking around with a couple buddy's of mine in grade 8. A kid in my class took one of their hats, my buddy managed to get it back, but then some other kids came and they took that hat again. I decided to get it, but they kept it away from me. I grabbed the kids arm, pulled it toward me, grabed that hat, gave to to my friend and shoved the guy away. He got annoyned and came back at me and grabbed my shirt when I dodged him, and I took his arm and hit him and he let go. The other kids around were also yelling out a bunch of BS at the same time. I told the kid to F-off, and told everyone to quit being Jack-asses. Naturally, they started making fun of me for having friends in a lower grade.

Now I realize there is a good chance here one of the members might get on my case for showing some support/respect for you Tony, but I dont care, I will be thoughtful(but maybe not always in the right way, or directly) of a person in "trouble"(cant think of the right word its 1AM im tired,lol). If it means me looking like a loser/having problems, O WELL.

Anyways, hope that clears some up Tony.

I also have a note to the mods:

I realize there is a chance you will get on my case about this but:

During one of Tony's posts, he mentioned putting up a scoreboard to see how many times you could mention one of his TOS violations again. I *think*(think being the keyword there) I counted it twice before Tony replied to the subject again. Can that Issue not be dropped and settle in private? Its solved now, Tony admitted to it, but lets drop it? We know he has made a mistake, he has appologized and as he has asked already, can we drop the issue now?

Mods, im sorry I have brought it up again, but I just want to end it, as I see no more need for anyone to post about it. Please, if you have a concern about what I have said, feel free to PM me or just reply to the thread, as(no-one take offense to this, but the gist/actions display this) everyone im sure would love to hear more argueing(sp?).

Everyone:

OK, so its obvious, Tony has made mistakes, he has admitted to them, and appologized for them, and tried to clarrify them. Whats left to dig about?

Tony:

I do feel that you have made mistakes in some of your actions, but so does everyone. I hope you dont take offense to this.

I do feel sorry that your holiday may quite possibly be ruined, but I wish that the rest of your holidays may be joyful!

I would like to continue a conversation with you VIA email/PM.

Good night everyone, and HAPPY HOLIDAYS!

I hope I didnt offend anyone with my post, as none was never intented, I just want to put facts into the open. Also, nowhere do I state that I have never made a mistake, I know I have, and I will think twice now, but everyone makes mistakes.

Thank-you very much for reading my LONG reply.

Again, Happy Holidays!

C.