Some might say over-fed (for Marshell)....

[MouseKilla]

I thought my above rhetoric covered this but I'll try the same example again. lol!

Imagine you are at home with your family and while you're in your herp room cleaning cages you suddenly have a house fire. Do you grab as many of your animals as you can and push mom down on the way out the door?

Why not? If the animal's lives are each worth as much as a single human life then aren't the 12 rubbermaids you've managed to carry more important than poor old mom? If not her then how about a stranger? If not how about the single most polluting man on the face of the planet?

Does what man has done to the planet even have anything to do with the question of whether animals lives are equally as valuable as those of people?

I don't know, maybe we aren't speaking the same language here...

Jeff! HEY JEFF! Where the hell are you man, it's getting all weird and philosophical in here... I tried to break it up with some gore but it hasn't worked. It's your thread man, take some responsibility here for god's sake. lol!

[hhw]

I don't think life is quantifiable in the manner you've described.

Chances are your mother or the stranger would be able to get out on their own. If not, unless you hate your mother, I'm sure you'd help her first. That however has more to do with your personal motivation: being able to replace your herps more easily than your mother. An objective system quantifying the value of each does not come into question.

Anyway, the way I see it, people are responsible for their own lives, while animals aren't. Therefore, you treat the two differently. It has nothing to do with whether one is more valuable than the other; that's simply comparing apples to oranges.

[MouseKilla]

Dude, you compared your computer job to sweatshop and slave labour, forget about apples and oranges. LOL!

The point of the example was that if you HAD to choose between the life of a person and the life of an animal I think you would be nearly alone in the world if you chose the animal. The lunatic exception that proves the rule.

And if you can't quantify the value of human life and come up with the correct result, that it is the most valuable important form of life that exists, well then I hope someone eats you. lol!

Only kidding of course, we should of course eat animals instead but all the while we should point at you with a slab of meat in our hands and blood on our chins and remind you to thank God that everyone else values your life over that of the cow or pig that has been raised and slaughtered instead. Geez, I'm getting hungry... is it too late to eat microwaved frozen corndogs?

[dave68]

did I here page eight??!!

[Jeff_Favelle]

Oh, there'll be a page eight. No question.

12 days left for Crannies Hondos too by the by.

[hhw]

I mentioned the computer work because you mentioned temp agency work; I tried to make it clear that what happens in undeveloped countries is a whole different story but obviously I failed. Of course, I would not equate a crappy job in Canada to anything of the sort.

Once again, I disagree with your example because you are attempting to use an isolated case to prove a much larger issue. There are just a lot of other factors that have to be taken into consideration. I could just as easily ask a *** member whether he valued his family dog's life more than an African American crack dealer's. Obviously, this example can hardly be used as the basis of proof whether people value other people's lives over animals.

Personally, I don't assign as much value to life as other people might. I don't believe in the afterlife, or even souls for that matter. When I die, I don't think I'm going to be sitting around all bummed out that I died. I'll simply have ceased to exist in any way my conscious self is aware of.

Besides, I think the real issue when it comes to cases of animal cruelty is quality of life rather than life itself. I don't think any animal lover would hesitate to euthanize an animal if it didn't have a chance at a life without substantial pain and suffering.
The reality is, extreme cases of human suffering are much rarer than extreme cases of animal suffering.

I have no problem with an animal's life being taken, as long as it is done in a humane manner (all my herps are fed CO2'ed rodents). I'd be a hypocrite otherwise. Unlike many people, I think any animal being used for food is fair game, be it a rabbit, cat, or dog. Heck, the only thing I have against reptiles being widely used as food for other herps is that they are difficult to euthanize humanely.

However, no animal should have to rot or be burned alive. A big deal should be made about any animal experiencing this extent of suffering, and big deals are made when this happens to humans. Crappy jobs or even slave labour, your original examples of how humans are exploited, are unequivocally a much lesser extent of suffering, and therefore do not warrant as much attention.

[BOAS_N_PYTHONS]

EVERYONE:

I am sorry I thought this was a Herp Forum and this section based on information of all sorts on BOA CONSTRICTORS. After reading a few pages where it was based on feeding your boas and comparing age to size......it got heated but it was based on opinions. Good / bad who cares nobody listens anyways...lol.

As in my past response on this thread I stated the thread went into all sorts of drama, very entertaining indeed.

But since then a few of you jumped it up a notch way off topic. Not only off the topic that started the thread but even off topic on BOA CONSTRICTORS in general. If anything this belongs more in the GENERAL DISCUSSION AREA - where anything goes as it is listed.

You all have good ideas, opinions and thoughts but this thread is so off topic this really needed to be said.......its only my opinion not the law.

A site moderator should look into this and see there is alot of cow dung to fill a book here.

:monkey:

Cya...

Tony

[Scales Zoo]

Yeah, thread closed.

Not only did it get way off topic, but I couldn't stand to see another thread Jeff started go over 100 replies

Ryan