Oh my god

[Jeepers]

Originally Posted by Herpophiliac972

That is freaking unbelievable. You do not have to be a herpetologist to see that that is a completely unacceptable way of caring for the animals. How the heck are they supposed to be rehabilitated? He looks like he is doing exactly the opposite. Raise all kinds of h311 with animal control, and especially P.E.T.A. They would love to get in on this. Talk with the local veterenarian. See if you can get him up there. Also, contact the A.S.P.C.A. animal cruelty tipline.

PETA, I would not support, personally... I'm not going to slander them here, but feel free to do your research regarding the truth. I've also heard some things floating about ASPCA, but I haven't researched into it, so whether it's valid or not, I don't know. I do still think they should be informed.

Veterinarians, fellow Herps, Animal Control, the Game Warden, etc. I say Game Warden because I know that, here anyways, they do deal with some animal affairs as far as ownership goes(around here they'll deal with illegal ownership of Quakers parrots if they're notified).

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Also, I don't want to get involved in this due to certain 'aspects' of this.. mess... but I do agree that DD did the right thing. Also, I don't think there's anything wrong with possibly being over optimistic and chewing off more than you could chew in regards to helping animals. It's the thought that counts, and whatever you -do- do helps, even in the tiniest bit.

Additionally, her expectations weren't too far off. When you think 'rescue', what do you think? A place that's in absolute MISERABLE shape, as far as hygiene goes, I'm not even talking about the health or condition of the animals, as this is to be expected, but the ENVIRONMENT. When you think rescue, do you think of an environment that has been left to shambles for an extended period of time? No, you do not. A true blue rescue will try their absolute best to keep their animals, that have -already- had a rough time, in acceptable conditions, not -this-. These people obviously need to be shut down because they do not care about the well being of these already struggling animals, and because they are not suitable to be called a rescue. Someone more able bodied and strong minded needs to take in these animals. You know, an ACTUAL rescue, not some fat idiot that just takes in unwanted pets and sits them outside of his trailer, leaving them to the mercy of the elements.

DD, good job, don't listen to the people bashing you, saying you should of picked up this guy's slack and supported his ethics by doing so. With your perseverance and determination, those animals will be brought to justice and be dealt with in the most humane way possible, whether they be humanely euthanized due to physical health beyond repair, or given to a responsible rescue that WILL find them a GOOD home instead of just sell them for extremely unreasonable prices to make a quick paycheck.

[Corey209]

One of the reptile organizations should collect donations towards giving schools around the US something like a 20g with a corn snake.

[Aaron_S]

Originally Posted by dinosaurdammit

I highly support our community policing itself, in this event, it failed to do so....

It never really has worked.

[TucsonRES]

The Tucson Reptile Community is still working on dealing with this situation and are in the process of combining efforts to form 1 organization that can take in snakes, "lizards" of all sizes & shapes, frogs and turtles. So this story is far from over yet.
I agree with DD, that we need to start policing ourselves before some gov't dept/bureau decides to do this for us.
I would love to see those involved with reptile rescues formulate a feasible, best practices and procedures for a professional Rescue/Rehab group to follow. I have posted this on a rescue network and have been getting some positive ideas. Then anyone who truly wants to do it right can get a certificate or designation of some sort to recognize their commitment to the quality of care. I can't speak for other countries or even other states, but in Arizona, you can wake up tomorrow go on craigslist or place an ad in the local paper and call yourself a rescue.

[bumblebat]

DD, thank you for bringing this to everyone's attention, and thank you for not cleaning up his mess so he could continue his practices unchallenged. I'm very glad that you weren't afraid to speak out about it and that you didn't let the critical comments stop you from exposing this wastoid. Unfortunately, too many people believe in simple fixes that very few of them would actually even attempt to apply.
Negative people will always find something to nit pick and naysay, and they'll always come up with ridiculous arguments, excuses and place blame where they can to justify their petulant attitudes.
A lot of people would have just complained about it, or just walked away and not said anything. You took the time to communicate with the right people, and I wish more people would put that kind of effort in to things like this.

[Aaron_S]

Originally Posted by TucsonRES

I agree with DD, that we need to start policing ourselves before some gov't dept/bureau decides to do this for us.

Already has happened. You're too late.

[bigsnakegirl785]

I don't get on here very often any more, but I saw this thread. And I have to say, it absolutely sickens me that anyone would keep any animal in such conditions. I think it was a good choice to walk out, and make the conditions of these animals known as widespread as you could. I would not work for someone like that, trying to pick up his mess at such a magnitude even if I was paid. It's definitely a better choice to get them out of that situation and hopefully get them into a decent one than slave yourself trying to fix someone else's mess, as a few people had suggested. My good wishes go out to the animals and you in your mission to save them. I will be posting a message on my FB profile, and perhaps my Twitter (although I have less than 10 followers, perhaps someone will come by the information).

[TucsonRES]

You're right, it has started Aaron_S, USARK was in Nevada because of House Bills limiting and restricting reptile ownership introduced there. That's why WE need to step up to the plate and formulate acceptable standards of conduct and care for our reptiles. It may not be welcomed by all those that call themselves rescues or rehab centers but if we can do this it may stem the tide of interference and may prevent situations like the one that caused this thread to be written.

[Aaron_S]

Originally Posted by TucsonRES

You're right, it has started Aaron_S, USARK was in Nevada because of House Bills limiting and restricting reptile ownership introduced there. That's why WE need to step up to the plate and formulate acceptable standards of conduct and care for our reptiles. It may not be welcomed by all those that call themselves rescues or rehab centers but if we can do this it may stem the tide of interference and may prevent situations like the one that caused this thread to be written.

USARK lost all credibility in my opinion after the whole Andrew Wyatt thing. Not even our face of the community can keep from bickering and inside drama.

Secondly, we've have decades to self police. It's failed miserably.

[infernalis]

Here you go..

Deliver Us from Rescues | The Reptile Report

[dinosaurdammit]

Thanks wayne. So an update, someone I know and have been working with on this went out there today she videoed the whole thing. This will prove my claims and hopefully get the animals get the vet care they need and the homes they desierve

[KORBIN5895]

So I just watched the video Charlotte post on the boi and all I can say is..... WOW! Those sulcattas are big!How did you ever manage to flip it over to see that the carapace was rotting?

[dinosaurdammit]

Originally Posted by KORBIN5895

So I just watched the video Charlotte post on the boi and all I can say is..... WOW! Those sulcattas are big!How did you ever manage to flip it over to see that the carapace was rotting?

He picked up the big male to prove? How heavy they were. There was spots that were cracked and had slimey crud coming out either pus or garbage

[ilovemypets1988]

can someone link the video here please as i dont know where the BOI is

[dinosaurdammit]

D&M Reptile Rescue in Marana, AZ - YouTube